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  • Walter Rowe
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    The discussion is about Hasselblad support. Support for other cameras are irrelevant. It seems clear that Fujifilm and Capture One have a close relationship. It is no surprise the GFX cameras would be supported. The GFX is a relative late arrival to the high megapixel game and it doesn't compete with PhaseOne's system. I imagine that Capture One would welcome a relationship with Hasselblad. It is to Capture One's advantage to support that platform.

    We don't know how Capture One "cooks" a raw file into an RGB file and what hardware / platform knowledge they need to do so. Just because a camera delivers DNG as its native raw file format doesn't mean Capture One feels it can get the very best out of the raw file for its imaging pipeline. Leica produces a DNG file as its native raw file format. Capture One seems to have a close relationship with Leica in order to peek inside the platform and get what they want from these raw files.

    Capture One seems to have a close relationship with all of the hardware platforms they support. So far that relationship doesn't seem to have developed with Hasselblad. It would not surprise me if Capture One can process those Hasselblad DNG files but perhaps Capture One doesn't feel the output is to their standards because they lack certain information about the hardware platform.

    It is a fair request to ask for Hasselblad support. That's what this request does. Any suggestions as to how it could be or why it isn't supported is pure speculation.

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  • Ned Costello

    @ Walter Rowe, with all due respect, a discussion about where support for Hasselblad Files in C1 sits in the context of the wider camera ecosystem is highly relevant. In effect, this is a discussion about discrimination and such a discussion can only take place with reference to a comparator or comparators.

    Further, for clarity, my reference to DNGs is to DNGs converted via Adobe DNG converter. Obviously, there are no native Hasselblad DNG files.

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  • Walter Rowe
    Moderator
    Top Commenter

    I can tell you from first hand knowledge that derivative DNG raw files from camera native raw files do not produce the same quality in Capture One. They have a disclaimer about DNG files in their release notes. The Adobe DNG converter does some massaging of the raw data before it is written into the DNG container. I know Adobe claims that DNG is as good as the camera native original raw file. Capture One seems to feel differently given information they apparently get from the camera native raw that they feel makes a difference in their image processing pipeline.

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  • ettore.causa

    True! But what it’s shameful is that Hasselblad intentionally blocks any DNG file converted from a Hasselblad camera. But if you remove the name Hasselblad from the file (or even just a letter) then C1 is able to read the file with the generic DNG profile. Capture One should know better then that!

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  • Ned Costello

    @Walter Rowe - the alleged DNG quality variation issue is well known. To empirically test that I converted some files from my X2D to DNG and manually altered the camera name in the EXIF data from Hasselblad to Basselbad so that C1 would open the files. Having done a back to back comparison of the original RAW image in Phocus and the same image converted to DNG and opened in C1, I have no confidence that I would reliably distinguish one from the other in a "blind" test. That was viewing the images at up to 200 percent magnification on a quality photographic monitor.

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  • Chris Otsen

    Going to have to switch to Lightroom after 12 years of using Capture One. Don't understand why you guys wont support the RAW fils for Hasselblad X platform. 

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  • Lars Johannesson

    Long time Capture One user, I finally purchased my dream camera, the X2D, and found out that C1 does not support it. Must say I am very unhappy about that. I do understand that some rivalry between Hasselblad and Phase one is to blame, but guys this is 2024, time to shake hands and get on with life.

    Pleas do whatever you need to do to get support to the X2D, Thank you.

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  • niclas hoflin

    Im sure everyone like me is willing to pay two or three times more for C1 if we could use it for Hasselblad. 

    If I was Hasselblad I would pay C1 millions for a C1/Hasselblad version to sell  many more cameras.

    ITS ALWAYS OLD GRUMPY MEN BEHIND PROBLEMS LIKE THIS 

     

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  • Miles Crist

    old grumpy man syndrome has ruined the world. better get used to it ;)

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  • niclas hoflin

    I agree, you see it around the world both in small and big matters. Happy Thursday from an old man but not grumpy.-)

     

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  • Allan Schweighardt

    No way I’d pay 2-3 times more. Other software has improved greatly and C1 has missed the boat. No longer upgrading for me.

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  • Andrew Badenhorst

    I add a request, build a BRIDGE between Capture one and Hasselblad!

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  • FirstName LastName

    Please add Hasselblad support. Going back and forth between softwares is the biggest pain in the workflow and I'm personally going to have to leave Capture One. I wish I hadn't paid for the annual membership. I mean, can't the people in charge get over it already? If color profiles are so important than why are all the Canon R5 colors so bad in C1? I already have to fix the color issues in Photoshop since I upgraded to the R5. What is it going to take for the companies to work together?

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  • hollywoodstills

    Paying $50,000 for Phase wasn't enough -- when I want to use C1 for a few days with a Hasselblad -- it's not supported in my paid-for Pro Subscription.    

    It's time.  Seriously.  Don't make someone else come out with a better mousetrap, that's what happened to Final Cut Pro when Premiere came along ehh?  

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  • Paul Forster

    Adding my name to this list now that I’ve found it!
    Please build those bridges with Hasselblad. Other software is improving all the time and you will eventually lose us “dual” MF users as paying customers if nothing happens.

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  • harold barker

    Sad to say this but I think as a company they have other things higher on the list right now, like will they have a job tomorrow.

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  • FirstName LastName

    Having used this product with my Fujifilm cameras, the constant asking for money got old. It was a good product though and "everyone" seemed to praise it. 

     

    Well, I have the full Adobe Suite now and frankly, Lightroom has fully caught up - and it is not a secret.

     

    I know 12 people who used C1 - all have switched and I am the only one with a Hasselblad. More third party support, less annoying sales pitch, and better looking images. Supposedly even better xtrans support (why I went to C1 in the first place seems to no longer be the case). 

    C1 will become wordperfect office.   Just how they have managed their own fate. Embrace collaboration or die. People loved wordperfect. No one even remembers it now for the most part. 

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  • SFA
    Top Commenter

    "Well, I have the full Adobe Suite now and frankly, Lightroom has fully caught up - and it is not a secret."

    Interesting.

    So the clearly biggest player in the game, built originally by buying absorbing smaller creative outfits, has been encouraged to "catch up" by some of the less broadly based developers in some parts of their area of dominance?

    Why did they have to be forced to catch up when they clearly have the resources to take a lead and stay there - to the point of total dominance and elimination of credible alternatives?

    Encourage the elimination of smaller players if you must, but consider the potential consequences. It's something that applies to all of life.

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  • FirstName LastName

    Dear SFA, 

     

    Appreciate the comment. I wrote Capture One asking for the upgrade. Have only been here, and have never encouraged the big guy to kill the little guy, so to speak. Capture One and Adobe are fully responsible for their actions and to think one of us here is somehow enabling (your tone was almost accusatory toward me and in that regard inappropriate even though you did so to make a valid point) or encouraging these companies is naive at best. 

     

    My statements were facts. Capture One has decided to not support Hasselblad. So, as a Hasselblad owner I and all of us have had to go elsewhere. That is not us encouraging anything - it is us being cast out. 

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  • Alphonse Rademakers

    Adding one more request to the list for Hasselblad CFV RAW support in C1. The current situation becomes ridiculous.

    Thanks.

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  • SFA
    Top Commenter

    Dear FirstName LastName,

    No accusations intended. I did think your comment was probably an accurate reflection of Adobe's response, hence my comment.

    I have long held the impression that Adobe often seeks to perform product enhancement work on a rotational basis. The approved internal teams move from product to product as needed with major advances in whatever the product offers on a rotational basis, sometimes every 2 or 3 years. Minor stuff in between.

    Not uncommon as a way to address what they believe the market requires to remain profitable to them.

    Going a long way back - to the days before the operations of Phase One Hardware and Capture One software operations were separated into different companies, the matter of Hasselblad arose just as frequently. 

    For whatever reason the Swedes and the Danes seemed to have fallen out in a big way and neither were prepared to talk to the other, or so it appeared. Separating the camera business from the software business at Capture One seems not to have resulted in any changes so far. These matters are referenced in the official letter at the top of this thread.

    Meanwhile Hasselblad has also changed management, perhaps had some struggles, has previously introduced some badge engineered pocket cameras for a while, and now offers technology (based on lens technology source claims) from some phone manufacturers. All that alongside its more traditional camera developments.

    Hopefully those of you who are fortunate enough to operate in the higher-cost spheres of the photography market may also have some ways to influence the Hasselblad management and persuade them to build some bridges with the C1 team.

    My memory may be faulty here but I vaguely recall that it was the possibility to make any use of Hasselblad IP, a fairly fundamental requirement for RAW file processing at that level, that was a major part of the problem. 

    If I am correct there may be very little that can be done to resolve the situation even if the majority of the work, in technical terms, is not very significant. At least, not based on History.

     

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  • SFA
    Top Commenter

    Further to the above post ...

    The end of life for the Hasselblad H system.... - Capture Integration

    There is an interesting  paragraph in there and a few details I had missed about the story.

    Anyway, based on a very quick reading, it seems that DJI and Imacon, with a US based Head Office, might be the people to talk to if one wishes to overcome whatever problems persist for Capture One to be able to include support for Hasselblad files. 

    Or there may be another side to the story so far not uncovered by my new "friend" MS Copilot.  I just wish I knew how he/she crept onto my computer without intended approval ...

     

    ETA: Further reading of a most interesting and varied company history now seems to suggest the majority owner is currently DJI.

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  • ettore.causa

    Its time for Capture One to understand how important for us is the Hasselblad support!!

    Please!!!!

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  • Ned Costello

    The possible issues around IP are interesting in a historical context. However, it appears that Phase One sees no IP conflicts in respect of multiple manufacturers that use Sony sensors - in various resolutions up to and including Fujifilm's use of the same silicon as Hasselblad. So it remains difficult to understand why one camera system specifically is not supported in C1. The new CFV100/907 is going to bring a whole new slew of users to Hasselblad. In terms of simple business logic, I don't know why Phase One would not want those photographers using its software. However, for balance, I am not gainsaying that there could be a lack of cooperation at Hasselblad's end. If that is the case, I would love to know it so that we could all then petition Hasselblad in the same terms! And while the lack of support remains utterly frustrating for me, credit at least to C1 for allowing this discussion to take place on it forum.

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  • Paul Calver

    I believe Hasselblads potential resistance has been discussed on this thread previously.

    Curious if anyone managed to find a contact or method to share / petition our wishes to Hasselblad directly? Sure this community would get behind that. I tried to email their general support email and received a very dull, cold response. A specific person / email to reach out would be amazing, anyone?

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  • CMS

    Another vote for Hasselblad!!

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  • Ned Costello

    By the way, I also tried to probe this with Hasselblad and came away none the wiser.

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  • SFA
    Top Commenter

    This situation seems to have been persistent for so long and through so many adjustments of ownership  (both parties) that one might conclude that something quite dramatic would need to happen if a resolution for the users of the systems is to be delivered.

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  • GJT_West

    Like the introduction of a 100mp digital back for 8KUSD? What’s that 30k cheaper than PhaseOne? 🤣

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  • John Schwarz

    +1 for for Hasselblad X2D / VFC 100c support in C1.  Thank you.

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