Feature Request: Improved crop and turn tools
I am a recent switcher from LR, mainly due to Capture One's superior RAW conversion. Overall, I like working with Capture One, but the crop and turn tools seem totally outdated. I will outline what is wrong with them below and hope that Phase One will find this a useful feature request:
1) Crop and rotate should be one tool, not two. The two activities are usually done together and iteratively, so having to click in and out of two tools is bad
2) Crop should generally just show 8 handles, one on each side of the photo and one in each corner, LR style. This way, small adjustments are much faster than having to click in and out of various modes
3) Flipping from Landscape to Portrait whilst cropping should be a button push. Not as now, where one has to switch to freehand crop, change the format and then apply the standard proportions (such as 2:3) again
4) Freehand rotate is horrible to use. It's jittery and generally rotates the image too much at time
Please please please have a developer work on this. Having 2016 style UI would be nice in 2016 😊
1) Crop and rotate should be one tool, not two. The two activities are usually done together and iteratively, so having to click in and out of two tools is bad
2) Crop should generally just show 8 handles, one on each side of the photo and one in each corner, LR style. This way, small adjustments are much faster than having to click in and out of various modes
3) Flipping from Landscape to Portrait whilst cropping should be a button push. Not as now, where one has to switch to freehand crop, change the format and then apply the standard proportions (such as 2:3) again
4) Freehand rotate is horrible to use. It's jittery and generally rotates the image too much at time
Please please please have a developer work on this. Having 2016 style UI would be nice in 2016 😊
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These are all valid points, but you should file a support case through Phase One's web site. 0 -
Froxxon wrote:
4) Freehand rotate is horrible to use. It's jittery and generally rotates the image too much at time
I just had a play with freehand rotate tool and it seemed smooth and easily controllable to me.
What graphics card are you using? do you have OpenCL for display enabled?
My PC only has an Nvidia GTX 550 which is very out of date but seems to cope with rotation OK, although you can hear the fan speed up quite quickly.
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RichardT wrote:
Froxxon wrote:
4) Freehand rotate is horrible to use. It's jittery and generally rotates the image too much at time
I just had a play with freehand rotate tool and it seemed smooth and easily controllable to me.
What graphics card are you using? do you have OpenCL for display enabled?
My PC only has an Nvidia GTX 550 which is very out of date but seems to cope with rotation OK, although you can hear the fan speed up quite quickly.
Richard
I have a mid-year 2015 iMAC 5k with 16 gigs of memory. I am not sure which graphics card is in it, but the graphics acceleration in Capture One is enabled. In LR it is super smooth and fast, meaning I can rotate faster than anyone would need and it is still smooth, so it is a C1 issue, not the machine0 -
I'm not seeing this sort of thing in my new 27" iMac Retina, 8mb RAM, Intel Core i5. 0 -
The suggestion to put in a support case is a good one. Many users seem not to find the difficulty you describe with rotation, so perhaps there is something that the support people can help you with to put it right.
Also, what you describe under 3) in your original post is more cumbersome than is needed. There is no need to switch to what you call freehand crop (C1 calls it unconstrained). Say you are cropping in a 2x3 ratio - you should be able just to drag it more sideways or more downwards to get landscape or portrait.
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Froxxon wrote:
I am a recent switcher from LR, mainly due to Capture One's superior RAW conversion. Overall, I like working with Capture One, but the crop and turn tools seem totally outdated. I will outline what is wrong with them below and hope that Phase One will find this a useful feature request:
1) Crop and rotate should be one tool, not two. The two activities are usually done together and iteratively, so having to click in and out of two tools is bad
2) Crop should generally just show 8 handles, one on each side of the photo and one in each corner, LR style. This way, small adjustments are much faster than having to click in and out of various modes
3) Flipping from Landscape to Portrait whilst cropping should be a button push. Not as now, where one has to switch to freehand crop, change the format and then apply the standard proportions (such as 2:3) again
4) Freehand rotate is horrible to use. It's jittery and generally rotates the image too much at time
Please please please have a developer work on this. Having 2016 style UI would be nice in 2016 😊
You don't say whether you are using Mac or Windows.
I'm on Windows I don't recognise any of those problems.
1. There is a specific rotation tool for those that really need one.
Also useful for those of us that have a tendency, when shooting action hand held, to end up with a 1 or 2 degree tilt. I can correct once and apply to many at the same time.
2. If you want to rotate in the crop tool position your cursor just outside a corner and rotate away as much as you want.
3. You could just drag a part of your current crop (especially if you are using a predefined ratio) to the point at which C1 cannot apply you crop in the current orientation. It will then switch to the alternative orientation.
If you regularly want to the same ratio in either Landscape or Portait as a starting point you can add you own ratio to the presets available.
No need for a push button, IMO. Or a change of mode.
If you really want to change the ratio, right click in the cropped area and you can, along with a couple of other things. Something like a button I suppose. It opens the Crop tool for you in a floating window.
4. If you are using the rotate and flip tool (the full tool UI that can be made to float at the position of your choosing (right click for quick access) you can position your cursor on the slider or in the degree amount box and use your scroll wheel or equivalent function for fine adjustment 1/10th of a degree at a time.
Dragging on screen will, of course, be affected by available resolution of both the screen and your scrolling device.
I think there are a few more features involving a combination of scroll "wheels" and keys that can further refine adjustments but I suspect not here in all the Windows and not for the full crop and rotate functionality since the available level of adjustments already seem to offer some considerable refinements should one need them.
In "normal" use I would not say I find it unusable and jittery even in the worst cases (large files, lots of heavy adjustments, especially layers already applied) but the more processing power you have available the smoother it is likely to be.
Maybe crop and rotate early in the workflow to see if you prefer that?
If you have layers deployed try deactivating them before rotating.
Rotate a "bare" original file and then copy and apply the adjustment to your working variant.
A few ideas that might prompt something that you find will work for you.
HTH.
Grant
HTH.
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