Can C1 replace LR?
Hello to all of you!
I´m working in a photo archive where we manage historical up to actual photos. Our workflow is to scan the originals (BW-Negs, Color-Negs, slides and prints), managing the files with the Library of Ligtroom (editing IPTC-metadata, sorting and finding in the folders), editing them with Lightroom. Mostly the edting-functions of LR are enough, in special cases we switch to Photoshop. After editing we export as tiffs and finally manage all files with a web based DAM-software. Since buying Adobe software is out an renting it is the case, we look for alternatives. With the good experiences about MediaPro (we used iView since 2003) we tried C1 in 2018. Meanwhile we use C1-20 (on my work with windows, private with Mac) to edit our raws. And we would like to switch completely to C1, but there are some heavy stones in the way to get there:
In C1 we only can edit raws! That´s normal for raw converters. But we also would like to edit our tiffs made with our Nikon and Epson scanners. We would like to benefit of the C1 tools. Especially in editing color-negatives, the get much faster and better results with C1 than with LR and PS!
The other case is editing metadata. Metadata of Tiff and JPEG also cant´t be edited with C1. And even with raw-files, there is an urgent field missed: "Date created", a field in the IPTC-standard. I can´t understand, that a company, that makes advertising with its experience with "cultural heritage", can forget this urgent thing! When we create scans of an historical photo from 1930, we have to change the "Date created" to the date of the original in the IPTC-fileds. So we an easily sort and find the photos by date. We should not keep the creation-date 2020 of the raw tiff out of the scanner or the raw file out of the digital camera when managing the scans.
If PhaseOne plans to embed the good old functions of MediaPro into C1, please pay attention on the following old bug, iView and MediaPro: If we set a creation date of 1905 and later, everthing ist fine. But creation dates of 1904 and earlier dont work! All 19xx, 18xx and other dates before 1905 will be changed in 20xx. You cannot make a reproducktion of an historical photo from 1899 and leave the creation date at 2020!
Editing files and Metadata in tiffs, PSD and JPEGS (and saving metadata in the IPTC-fields of tiff and JPEG, not in extra xmp) and changing the creation date is no problem with LR.
If these stones are removed, our way to switch 100% to C1 and to leave LR behind will be free!
Best whishes!
mikelike
I´m working in a photo archive where we manage historical up to actual photos. Our workflow is to scan the originals (BW-Negs, Color-Negs, slides and prints), managing the files with the Library of Ligtroom (editing IPTC-metadata, sorting and finding in the folders), editing them with Lightroom. Mostly the edting-functions of LR are enough, in special cases we switch to Photoshop. After editing we export as tiffs and finally manage all files with a web based DAM-software. Since buying Adobe software is out an renting it is the case, we look for alternatives. With the good experiences about MediaPro (we used iView since 2003) we tried C1 in 2018. Meanwhile we use C1-20 (on my work with windows, private with Mac) to edit our raws. And we would like to switch completely to C1, but there are some heavy stones in the way to get there:
In C1 we only can edit raws! That´s normal for raw converters. But we also would like to edit our tiffs made with our Nikon and Epson scanners. We would like to benefit of the C1 tools. Especially in editing color-negatives, the get much faster and better results with C1 than with LR and PS!
The other case is editing metadata. Metadata of Tiff and JPEG also cant´t be edited with C1. And even with raw-files, there is an urgent field missed: "Date created", a field in the IPTC-standard. I can´t understand, that a company, that makes advertising with its experience with "cultural heritage", can forget this urgent thing! When we create scans of an historical photo from 1930, we have to change the "Date created" to the date of the original in the IPTC-fileds. So we an easily sort and find the photos by date. We should not keep the creation-date 2020 of the raw tiff out of the scanner or the raw file out of the digital camera when managing the scans.
If PhaseOne plans to embed the good old functions of MediaPro into C1, please pay attention on the following old bug, iView and MediaPro: If we set a creation date of 1905 and later, everthing ist fine. But creation dates of 1904 and earlier dont work! All 19xx, 18xx and other dates before 1905 will be changed in 20xx. You cannot make a reproducktion of an historical photo from 1899 and leave the creation date at 2020!
Editing files and Metadata in tiffs, PSD and JPEGS (and saving metadata in the IPTC-fields of tiff and JPEG, not in extra xmp) and changing the creation date is no problem with LR.
If these stones are removed, our way to switch 100% to C1 and to leave LR behind will be free!
Best whishes!
mikelike
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Some notes:
1) Capture One Pro is not limited to editing raws only. It can edit TIF, JPG, PSD, PNG files as long as they are in the RGB color space. Grayscale images, which are often created with scanners from B&W negatives are a no go in Capture One. Maybe you use Capture One for Phase One, formerly known as Capture One DB.
2) You can edit metadata of TIFF and JPG files. See 1).
3) There is a limitation for date created in Capture One. You can not go to dates earlier then 1-1-1970 if I recall correctly. Yes, you can go back further but Capture One will not display the creation date in the Metadata tool.0 -
Thank you for your answer!
1) "It can edit TIF, JPG, PSD, PNG files as long as they are in the RGB color space"
That´s it. About 90% of our archived photos are in greyscale. And a finescan of a 8x10 b+w negative with 500 MB will be three times bigger in RGB. Bad to handle with thousands of it.
One big advantage of C1 is, that it can export any file in greyscale. Why can´t it edit greyscale files? LR can edit greyscale files, but only can export in RGB, even from native greyscale files. Sounds funny, but it is no joke 😉
We use the full version of C1-20. (Not CH or DB)
2) Just tested after your hint. Yes!
3) Can you help me to find the field, where I can see and edit "Date created"? May be I´m too blind to see the obvious?
Why is there a limitation to 1970? In cultural heritage environments it makes no sense.
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mikelike wrote:
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3) Can you help me to find the field, where I can see and edit "Date created"? May be I´m too blind to see the obvious?
Why is there a limitation to 1970? In cultural heritage environments it makes no sense.
The 1970 limitation has its root in Unix. That does not necessarily explain why Capture One has not solved this.
When you open Capture One, Metadata tab, Metadata tool, Basic section, Date field. This is the Date created or DateTimeOriginal as it is called in EXIF if I am right.0 -
mikelike wrote:
1) "It can edit TIF, JPG, PSD, PNG files as long as they are in the RGB color space"
That´s it. About 90% of our archived photos are in greyscale. And a finescan of a 8x10 b+w negative with 500 MB will be three times bigger in RGB. Bad to handle with thousands of it.
One big advantage of C1 is, that it can export any file in greyscale. Why can´t it edit greyscale files? LR can edit greyscale files, but only can export in RGB, even from native greyscale files.
mikelike
Assuming you keep the scan files too, you would either keep a big scan file but a slim output file, or vice versa, right? Is there a big files size difference over all files kept, between your LR and C1 workflow? If you don't keep the scan files anyway, then your C1 workflow would result in smaller total size, no?0
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