Vertical keystone adjustments – change default Amount
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When you make Vertical keystone adjustments, the Amount setting defaults to 80 rather than the less arbitrary 100. Is there any way to change this?
Addition. I'll move this to the feature request section:
Please either make the default value adjustable or change it to 100.
(Just to avoid any misunderstandings: What I'm referring to is the default value after applying vertical keystone adjustments, not before.)
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When making Vertical keystone adjustments, the default value of the Amount field is set to 100.
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No, unfortunately not. 0 -
Paul_Steunebrink wrote:
No, unfortunately not.
Thanks for your reply. Can you tell me if it's possible to submit a request, and If so, where to do that?0 -
thomaskyhn wrote:
Paul_Steunebrink wrote:
No, unfortunately not.
Thanks for your reply. Can you tell me if it's possible to submit a request, and If so, where to do that?
Open a support case and file a request in the case.0 -
Paul_Steunebrink wrote:
thomaskyhn wrote:
Paul_Steunebrink wrote:
No, unfortunately not.
Thanks for your reply. Can you tell me if it's possible to submit a request, and If so, where to do that?
Open a support case and file a request in the case.
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I'd be happy to be able to have 100% set by default, as long as I could choose my default percentage!
Ian
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Is the default for the current version of Capture One (13.1.1.24) supposed to be 100%? Here it still defaults to 80%.
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Vertical Keystone with the handles in the Viewer still defaults to 80%, as far as I am concerned (CO20, build 13.1.1.24).
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So they reverted to 80% after having changed the default to 100%?
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I doubt the default was changed to 100% in an earlier build. I think that there is a misunderstanding in the support statement from Lily, that was quoted in this thread.
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That's possible.
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I use the vertical perspective correction several times a week, and I update Capture One as soon as a patch is available (I am currently running 13.1.1.31 on Windows). I can confirm that as far as I know, the correction has always been set to 80%.
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I assume the change to 100% was a misunderstanding then, as Paul suggested.
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@Lily – Is the default value after applying vertical keystone adjustments supposed to 100 in the current version of Capture One?
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I got a confirmation now from support. The default is 80%.
Though I still don't understand why of all possible default amounts (10-120) they chose 80%.
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This blog post goes back to V7 but is still relevant to the question about the 80% default.
https://learn.captureone.com/blog-posts/how-to-correct-perspective-with-the-keystone-tool/
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@SFA – Thanks. I remember this claim that 80% "gives a more natural looking correction than the ‘perfect’ 100% correction". But such categorical claims make no sense (I am, of course, not blaming you for that). What looks best/most natural would obviously depend on the photo being corrected. Also, this differs from what I was told by support, which was that 80% would "allow more scope for adjustments" and that "If the amount was 100, we are effectively denying the user of more Keystone 'amount' so to speak". Which makes no sense either.
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@SFA : I agree with Thomas. 80% is completely arbitrary - it does look better in some cases of very heavy tilting, say, when looking at the top of a skyscraper from the bottom of it, but by no means does that equates that it should be the golden standard of perspective correction. Virtually all interior architecture photography features parallel vertical lines, which are either set by a level camera, a shifted lens, sofwtare correction or a combination of those things. If 80% is the "good looking" vertical perspective value (100% being perfectly straight verticals), should I set my camera 80% level (20% tilt), then?
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Charles,
It's not something I have any experience of but from memory and reading if one is using a cameras system specifically intended to encompass Movements hen the use of the Movements values - either from the lens via the camera or as noted at the time of the shot when using more traditional cameras - should take preference to any manual setting of the alignment points in the tool.
For those of us not using tilt and shift adjustments or doing regular professional projects that might require such precision the 80% option is probably a good choice 80% of the time.
However the 80% default was not the original concern of the complaint about the way the Keystone tool functions as I recall. And I am simply relaying the document that describes why the decision was taken in the first place. If people wish to suggest an option for users to set their own preferred default value that's fine by me.
That's a Change Request not a bug report. Where a Change Request of that sort would sit in list of change requests and "bug" fixes compiled by the product management team is unknown. If ranked by number of people using the tool (in this example) it may not be high up the list.
I suspect that top of the list, taking everyone into account, could probably summarised as " Provide Lightroom as it is but call it Capture One and keep better image quality". A few years ago amongst the Mac users it might have been "Provide Aperture as it is but call it Capture One and keep better image quality".
I trust that you will understand that I am just speculating ...
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@SFA – I doubt that you have any basis for speaking on behalf of other users than yourself. No one is asking for Lightroom, just for keystone functions that work and aren’t unnecessarily inconvenient. I don’t quite see the necessity of these long Capture One defences every time someone has the impertinence of making a request you don’t agree with.
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@ SFA: As far as I know, there are no 14mm tilt-shift lenses. I shoot with Nikon full frame bodies, and the widest tilt-shift lens available is 19mm, manual focus. Well, the thing is, I shoot interiors wider than that at least 50% of the time. Your advice of basically asking everyone not happy with the default settings in C1 to be "shooting properly instead" is uncalled for. I have been successfully shooting architecture and real estate full time professionally for six years without using a single tilt-shift lens, nor a $40K technical camera, thank you.
On top of that, I have never ever used Lightroom professionally, but that can't stop me of comparing some of its features to the software I use (and mostly love) daily, which is Capture One. Same thing goes for DXO Viewpoint, which also defaults its vertical perspective correction @ 100%.1 -
Apparently this has been requested before, 5 years ago, here.
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