Skin Tone "Uniformity" on Layer only working if values in "Amount" are also changed....
I think I just found another bug:
The Skin Tone settings for "Uniformity" in Layers are not showing any effect.
When I turn the hue, saturation or lightness to 0 or 100 it doesn't change anything
Only when I change the values in "Amount" to anything else but 0 an effect becomes visible. But that should not happen.
It works for the Background but not for Layers!
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Yes, I confirm the same (on a Mac).
Ian
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I think they should fix that ASAP with an overnight version 20.0.3.1
It's unacceptable to have such obvious and major defects in the software after an UPDATE with BUGFIXES and no big changes to the whole underlying engine.
Portrait, Fashion, Beauty and many other forms of photography need this correction with layers - and it works perfectly fine with 20.0.2 !0 -
I see your point that many types of photography need this kind of correction. But I suppose that as a workaround in the meanwhile you can at least make an insignificant change to one of the values (like ad 0.1 to saturation, or something) and then you are good to go.
Ian
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As a workaround I went back to 20.0.2
Seriously this is absolutely embarrassing for the CaptureOne team.
Not only did they not fix many known bugs, they were able to introduce another bug.I guess that was caused by this "fix" in the 20.0.3 release:
- Fixed an issue where adding an empty Layer could change readout values.
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I'm seeing the same thing using Win 7 but 20.0.3 is no different to 20.0.2 on my system.
As IanW has observed a small change in one of the Amount values brings things to life in a layer.
As does ticking the "View Selected Colour Range" box when editing but that may not help much.
Grant
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Same here. Very annoying. Shouldn't there be a checklist checked before an update is released?
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I would guess one question is whether anyone would write a test plan that would seek to change just uniformity settings and nothing else at all on a layer.
It may be that the design criteria for the layer requires some sort of change value in Amount before Uniformity is activated.
Create the Request cases and see what response is offered. Speaking entirely personally I can't get very excited about it as I can't think of a use case (for my needs) that would indicate the use of a layer with Uniformity adjustments only in the Skin Tone function but no doubt others will offer up an example that I have missed.
As currently understood the case would have to include that NO Amount adjustment, no matter how small, was acceptable.
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Already did that when I noticed the issue and I think I'll have to wait at least 2 weeks for a response. That's horrible customer support, especially regarding such a glaring oversight.
@SFA: It's actually very simple:
When you want to achieve a uniform skin tone (to remove/reduce red areas) you create a new layer, pick the skin color you would like to achieve and then paint in the areas you want to correct. Then you can use the Uniformity settings (Hue/Saturation/Luminance) to control how uniform it should be (=how close the selected color range should match with the color you chose).
The Amount controls are to change the actual color tone that you have picked and most of the time you don't want to mess with that unless it's necessary.
So for portrait, beauty, fashion and even landscape and product photography it can be extremely helpful and necessary since you're obviously not limited to editing the color of skin alone.0 -
I understand that and use it from time to time.
My point is that, for layer use, a .1 adjustment of, say, the Lightness Amount if one is in any case about to make a uniformity adjustment for lightness would seem to be a reasonable solution for now in order to make the Layer functionality active.
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There's nothing reasonable about this and as a workaround (for this bug) it's much easier to simply get back to 20.0.2 and have it working again.
I don't know what your main focus is, but for me it's portrait/fashion/beauty and lately also product/interieur and I have used and relied on the Uniformity for as long as it has existed.I honestly don't have the time and/or patience to go to every image during editing and make sure to set the Lightness Amount of every Layer with a Uniformity adjustment to +1 to make it work again.
Not sure why anyone would want to subject him/herself to that.0 -
Your choice of course, as to which is worse, using the workaround suggested or rolling back to 20.0.2. But it seems to me that if you are already in the skin tone tool and want to use uniformity on a layer
a) you may well want to adjust one of the amount sliders for hue, saturation or lightness anyway, or
b) it is only the work of a moment to change the lightness by 0.1 (too small to be noticed) compared with the time one is likely to spend fine-tuning the uniformity sliders.
But as I say, your choice.
Ian
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Well, my initial testing was in 20.0.2 and in my case the functionality was exactly the same as you found in 20.0.3 so your personally acceptable work around would not work for me.
I mention this in case others reading the thread would find exactly the same as me after going through the process to revert to the previous release. Especially if they need any of the Camera or lens facilities included in the latest release.
For clarification any "Amount" adjustment will suffice and at minimum values of 0.1 the adjustment is barely noticeable. And a single activity. One short mouse drag or a click.
Taking your point about being a regular user of the Uniformity feature - it suggests that in previous times you will have been making the changes on the "Background layer" and for others used to using that approach rather than layer usage it would still be a viable option until the functionality is revised.
If they planned any layer based "Amount" adjustments at the same time they could just go right ahead and not be concerned about anything.
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Using the Background to make these changes is NO solution.
That would meant hat EVERY part of the image with a similar color would be changed. So if you want to reduce red spots (for instance on the forehead, chin etc) it would also change the lips and make them skin colored. Same goes for Makeup and parts of the Outfit that has a similar tone.
That won't work. Period.
@Ian, SFA: I see you don't use this tool very often. That's okay.
But just keep in mind that others do and those who need it daily for work don't have the time and patience to fix the stuff that the CaptureOne developers broke. Imagine always having to manually adjust the Moiree with every image you edit to get Exposure or any other basic function to work.
People who are just enthusiasts or hobbyist might find that a suitable workaround, but others who use it daily for work probably won't think it's okay.0 -
C-M-B,
What did you do before skin tone adjustment was available for layers?
Or was that before you started to use C1?
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Before using layer based skin uniformity tools I had to make those edits in Photoshop which took more time and was not as comfortable and precise to use and naturally it only worked on TIFF files which meant less flexibility when it came to later changes.
I try to limit the use of Photoshop as much as possible to keep that editing flexibility until the final fine retouching phase. That gives me the best results.0
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