Annoying behavior of Metadata double-arrow
At this moment I am busy filling in the missing information for (let's say) IPTC - Image - Location. I select the first photo, fill in the correct information; select the photo's which will get the same information, press the double-arrow-key and a dialog appears "Adjustments Clipboard" with > Metadata (unchecked). I open the tree, click on "Location" and "Apply". I have to repeat this work for several other photo's.
Question: Why does the dialog not "remember" the last setting I did? Why do I every time have to open "Metadata" and check "Location"?
I am a relative new user of Capture One Pro: perhaps I'm doing something wrong? Is there a better way to do this?
Thanks in advance,
Rien van Ham
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Hi Rien,
You are not doing anything wrong. Capture One only makes intentional copies of metadata (same for rating, tagging, keywords). I can understand that for copying via the main clipboard. I also regret that when using the double arrow at the tool, like for the Metdata tool, you still have to enable each item each time.
I would prefer another workflow, but the question is, how does the tool know what you like to copy now, and the next time, and the one thereafter?
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Hi Paul,
It would be nice if C1P "remembers" the last setting. And that sound like a bug because the double-arrow-dialog states "To supress this dialog: Hold down Alt to Copy or Shift to Copy and Apply". But what? Nothing is checked when this dialog is used.
Thank you!
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Hi Rien,
Your description does not read as if you have discovered the best way to deal with your task but I'm not quite sure what you are doing or how you are applying the process.
C1 offers several different ways of working with metadata updates - especially bulk updates for multiple files.
No one way is the "correct" way. How to approach it entirely depends on the specifics of the updates required.
One basic and important point is the need to be comfortable with the way the "Edit all selected variants" toggle can be most successfully used.
In general I tend not to use the Clipboard much for metadata unless I have a LOT of images all requiring the same multiple field update that has already been prepared for at least one existing image. So I think there may be better ways that you could discover to make the updates you need. However those ways might be rather specific to your precise requirements.for the specific batch of images. It may not be best practise to always use the same process steps.
Could you describe in detail your typical needs so that I can use that as a basis for suggesting the available process steps?
Grant
ETA: I forgot to ask you which setting you have selected for the Clipboard option rules for the fields to be selected when copying. The Autoselect settings in particular.
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Hi Grant,
One of my processes is to fill in the location-information.
So, my workflow is now:
-Select a photo
-FIll in the correct Location, City, State, County and ISO-code (if they are not available yet)
-Shift-select the photo's which have to get the same information
-Click the double-arrow on "Metdata"
-Expand Metadata
-Select Location, Image City, Image State, Image Country and ISO Country Code
-Press Apply
And this process so many times until all my photo's have the correct information.
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OK.
If your Clipboard Autoselect is set to "Adjusted" or "Adjusted except composition" any fields that have entries should be Autoselected. In that case and assuming that ALL "adjusted" metadata fields are required, you should be able to use the keyboard short cuts as suggested in the tool prompts to avoid viewing the Clipboard and so apply the updates to all selected images (assuming the "Edit all selected variants" toggle is set on) in the way you wish.
The clipboard data remains in place unless you make a new selection or change the existing selection. (Or exit C1).
You can clear the existing selection on tick as a time or remove everything by clicking at the section heading line (only one section usually is selecting for a specific tool rather than for a whole image) on the "-" box.( Resetting that will active ALL fields. To reinstate the previous selection simply recopy to clipboard.)
As an alternative approach that can be very useful in some situations you can also apply the metadata, one field at a time, by showing the Filters tool (in the Library tab, wherever else you may have included it AND as a Floating tool ). All metadata fields are available as active filters but also have a secondary purpose. If you select one of the set of images in the Browser and drag it to the filter presentation in the filter tool for the field you wish to update the IPTC metadata in that field will be applied to the selected images. (NOTE that camera EXIF data cannot be updated in that way.)
In some situations that may be more time effective than using the Clipboard process.
There is also the option of creating a Style that contains regularly used metadata - perhaps the most common fields for a shoot for example, and applying that as required. I use that on import to sessions for example.
I hope these ideas prove to be useful to you. There are, no doubt, more approaches possible but these could be good starting points for you to optimize the options to your needs.
Grant
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Hi Grant,
Oh, I feel so stupid... I don't get it. Let's start at the beginning: "Autoselect -> Adjusted" is selected. I go to Metadata (the i-button). I select a photo. I fill in the location. I go to the adjustments: nothing is selected? In my opinion Metadata->Location should me ticked.
Could you please give a short description in how to edit a location and copy it to (one or more) photo's?
Thanks in advance,
Rien.
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I think I found it: I have to preselect the photo's... Then it works... Thanks!
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Rien,
For some reason I don't understand your additional replies to this thread are not appearing in the list of additions and updates in the "Community" latest posts list. I do see them in the email responses but I don't monitor that incoming feed in real time.
Strange. Maybe it's not just your replies but then how would I easily check for updates across all posts ...?
Yes for the double arrow immediate copy and paste the all the images - the current source "primary" image to copy from AND the images you wish to copy to need to be selected. If you realise you have not pre-selected then simply copy to populate the Clipboard then select the image you for which you wish to "apply" the data and apply/paste (whatever term you wish to use) from the clipboard the clipboard will retain that copied data until you copy in something else.
Before one becomes familiar with the way it works it is easy to make things a little over complicated. For example people will often Make the changes on one image and copy them, then select the image they wish to copy TO and perform another "Copy" action. It often seems like an automatic thing to do or may just be some easy assumption that it will act as a "paste" action. But of course it acts as a copy once again, this time from the unadjusted target image. So copy nothing, paste the nothing that one has just copied and then wonder why nothing changed!
It's easily done. It can happen to anyone in distracted moments. But when it does I think the trick it to stop, clear one's thoughts and then try the steps again from a known starting point.
Also, conceptually things are easier when copying and pasting anything, not just metadata, if working with 'images to be adjusted' that have NO PREVIOUS DATA entered. If copying changes there is always the question about what to do if the image already has data (or data adjusted form default values) in that field - especially if the record shows it has had some king of "Style" applied. That is not so usual with metadata but can more often be a consideration for other image adjustments.
I don't suggest that you need to consider this deeply at this time but at some point the comment may come back to you if and when you see results that are not quite what you expected.
I'm glad to hear you have made progress. After a certain point I found that things started to fall into place as familiarity with the C1 approach to things becomes deeper.
Grant
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Hi Grant,
Thank you very much!
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