Resyncing catalog imports after modifying session
I have created a catalog and imported several sessions into it. Now I realized that I'd like to modify a session's content and opened that session, made changes to it and returned to the catalog that contains this session. But now the modifications are not synced to the catalog instead it shows me question marks on images I have removed. Is there a way to re-synchronize the catalog with the updated session?
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That's the missing link to make a "session based catalog" useful to me. Regardless of from where you edit an image, catalog or session, it will always be reflected in both, optionally as a preference. A good subject for a feature request imo.
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You can locate moved images again by right-clicking and using the Locate command. You could synchronise the folders again in the catalog, with the import dialog enabled and use the exclude duplicates option (and the include existing adjustments option). But a better way would have been to do your moving through the catalog, not the session. For instance, if I have imported a session into my catalog, and wish that some images in the session Capture folder had been in the Selects folder, I can move them in the Library tool of the catalog, and they will be moved on disc. But any adjustments I have made to them n the catalog won't be copied back to the session. If you are going to work with sessions and catalogs together like this (which I now do all the time) it is a good rule that once you have imported images from a session into the catalog, you only work on them from the catalog from then on.
How much of a technical challenge it would be to have two-way synchronisation between the catalog and the session I am not qualified to say. But it strikes me that it could be a cause of slowing things down: for example, every time you adjusted an image in the catalog, perhaps changing exposure, colour balance, or whatever, that adjustment would have to be recorded both in the catalog database and in the session's sidecar files; the preview stored in the catalog would have to be adjusted and so would the preview stored in the session folders.
Ian
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Can I ask why you want to modify the session's content rather than use the catalogue?
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Hi Walter, thanks for your suggestion, but this is way too cumbersome. A simple right-click and resync context menu entry would be a way better solution. Have to reconsider my workflow then.
@SFA I start to work with a Session, that gives me way better performance as to open a big catalog. Then I import the session into a project catalog. that's how it is supposed to work suggested by Phase One. When the session is in my catalog I cull for the best images and usually don't do much of prep work on it because I did it in the session already because it is faster than in the catalog. However when I decide to go back to my session, I want to sync these changes to my catalog. I understand this as a non-linear workflow.
I must confess that I still have problems to understand the concept of the catalog in context with using sessions in Capture One.0 -
Can I ask why you prefer to cull in the catalogue instead of the session? You will, presumably, have spent time already working in the photos you are then going to eliminate.
Seems a little strange as an order of activities.
I think the C1 proposal for session then catalogue is mainly aimed at those on the road but who will end up using a catalogue eventually. It saves people being forced to take their entire catalogue on the road. The very reason you choose to work with sessions.
I just stick with sessions.
One consideration would be those shooting events or studio work where the shoot is, in effect, self contained but some images may be valid for retention in a catalogue as a form of Gallery.
I don't think there is any real expectation of two way updates in the suggested workflow. There would seem to be little point to that since in terms of editing both sessions and catalogues offer the same features and facilities.
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"I must confess that I still have problems to understand the concept of the catalog in context with using sessions in Capture One."
The thing is that it is not really a designed way of working with Capture One. It is designed to work with sessions or with catalogs, and many users just use one or the other, not both. Some have found that it is an effective way of working to start with images in a session and incorporate them into a master catalog later. (For instance, you can start some images off in a session on a laptop out on the road, and incorporate them into your catalog later.) It works well for me. But Capture One was not designed to sync sessions and catalogs on a continuous basis. As Walter says, you ought to consider taking images from a session into your catalog as a one-way street.
Ian
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Hi Ian,
I really like the performance of working with sessions, especially for tethering. But when I need to look for images of several years a catalog is simply the better choice. But when you start with a session, why do you need to restart with a catalog afterwards, that's clumsy...
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I'm not sure that I understand your question "But when you start with a session, why do you need to restart with a catalog afterwards, that's clumsy..." Probably me being dense!
I agree with you that looking for images over several years is much better with a catalog. I also start with sessions (though I don't tether) partly because I was accustomed to using sessions before they introduced catalogs to Capture One, and partly because I often start with my images on my MacBook and only transfer them to the main computer (iMac) later.
But I don't really find it at all clumsy. The session is easily portable from the MBP to the iMac, and easily imported into the catalog. (Actually I don't import the whole session - just the Selects and Output folders.) All the stuff I've already done on the MBP carries over into the catalog - keywords, ratings, adjustments, etc. Thereafter, I only do any further work on the images in the catalog. The images are referenced, not managed - that is, they continue to live in their original folders on the hard disc. I rarely re-open the session as a session, and then only to perhaps empty the session trash, or perhaps clear out the Capture folder of images that didn't make the cut as Selects, but that I hadn't trashed. But I never edit in the session once the images have joined the catalog.
To me that way of working seems like the best of both worlds, but, of course, your requirements may be different.
Ian
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