Filter cloned Variants
I created clonec dariants of a bunch of photos. I want to filter out only the cloned variants to create an album of them. How can I do that?
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[quote="NNN635910670472929750" wrote:
I created clonec dariants of a bunch of photos. I want to filter out only the cloned variants to create an album of them. How can I do that?
I don't think you can. Smart Albums does not seem to have a filter available to allow that. It is worth a feature request, it should not be too difficult to implement.0 -
It might not be as easy as it sounds. In CO, there is nothing one can call 'original'. Just a RAW and it's variants. The 1st image is the 1st variant (of the raw image). When cloned, or a new one created, it becomes the 2nd, 3rd, ,... variant. So it might be necessary to look for other criteria to separate them. Tags, Keywords, ratings. Windows has an 'Adjusted' filter criterion for smart albums, which is missing on Mac. Some users, including me, have filed a feature request to get it.
Regards,
Hans0 -
[quote="HansB" wrote:
Windows has an 'Adjusted' filter criterion for smart albums, which is missing on Mac. Some users, including me, have filed a feature request to get it.
I have also added a feature request for this, hopefully they listen.[quote="HansB" wrote:
It might not be as easy as it sounds. In CO, there is nothing one can call 'original'. Just a RAW and it's variants. The 1st image is the 1st variant (of the raw image). When cloned, or a new one created, it becomes the 2nd, 3rd, ,... variant.
I suspect other software behaves in a similar way - e.g., LR Virtual Copies - and I cannot see a way to do the equivalent in LR. Obviously there must be something in the database that distinguishes a Cloned Variant from the cloned photo.0 -
[quote="NN259560UL" wrote:
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Obviously there must be something in the database that distinguishes a Cloned Variant from the cloned photo.
What exactly do you mean with 'cloned photo'? CO or LR, the RAW itself is never cloned when creating a new or cloned variant.
Regards,
Hans0 -
In Lightroom you can filter virtual copies within Library>Attributes.
So how can I do this in C1. For example I want to filter out all cloned variants that got Number three. I can not imagine that this isn´t possible....0 -
When this thread started, it sounded like what you wanted to do was find all variants that had been edited, whether they were the original variant (primary, or "what you loaded into C1") or another variant (created using one of the New Variant options). That makes sense.
But the last post in response to HansB leaves me wondering if I misunderstood your original request.
I think what you want to be able to do is filter on "Processed AND with a '3' rating". Is that right?0 -
[quote="NNN635910670472929750" wrote:
In Lightroom you can filter virtual copies within Library>Attributes.
So how can I do this in C1. For example I want to filter out all cloned variants that got Number three. I can not imagine that this isn´t possible....
This was something that struck me as something very odd in Lightroom, coming from Aperture: the difference between the master image and a virtual copy. I even lost some files because of that, before I realized the stupid difference they make.
If you think about it, there is no difference. Each one is a slightly different interpretation of the same "negative", but is there one that you can truly call the "master"? One that will render all the other ones useless when you delete it (like Lightroom does)? You might favor one over another one, but then just rate it higher, or flag it, or move it to the top of the stack.
However, I do wish CO would allow one to rename the different variants. E.g., b/w or square, or whatever. That would be much more meaningful than making the difference between a "master" and a virtual copy. At least, Lightroom's got that right.
Cheers,
Peter.0 -
Again an example: I have worked on, let´s say, 30 photos. I like the result of all 30 photos. I do not want to change them.
Then I want to take all this 30 photos, and want to give all of them a different look. But also I do want to preserve the look of my first work. Maybe I also want to make a 3rd Look and a 4th look, etc. of all the 30 photos. How can I do this?
I thought the best way is using cloned variants. But it seems that there is no way to filter them out...
Isn´t that ridiculous...
Everybody says C1 is so fantastic. So I bought it. But using C1 more often, just let´s me recognize how good and well made LR is.
The only thing that C1 does better is colour and masks. In all other aspects LR is, without no doubt, much better and much more intuitiv and user-friendly.0 -
[quote="NN260238UL" wrote:
Again an example: I have worked on, let´s say, 30 photos. I like the result of all 30 photos. I do not want to change them.
Then I want to take all this 30 photos, and want to give all of them a different look. But also I do want to preserve the look of my first work. Maybe I also want to make a 3rd Look and a 4th look, etc. of all the 30 photos. How can I do this?
I thought the best way is using cloned variants. But it seems that there is no way to filter them out...
Isn´t that ridiculous...
Everybody says C1 is so fantastic. So I bought it. But using C1 more often, just let´s me recognize how good and well made LR is.
The only thing that C1 does better is colour and masks. In all other aspects LR is, without no doubt, much better and much more intuitiv and user-friendly.
All you have to do is use one of the many forms of identification available to "group" your selection. Then you can do what you want.
Is this a big problem for you?
Why?0 -
[quote="NN260238UL" wrote:
Again an example: I have worked on, let´s say, 30 photos. I like the result of all 30 photos. I do not want to change them.
Then I want to take all this 30 photos, and want to give all of them a different look. But also I do want to preserve the look of my first work. Maybe I also want to make a 3rd Look and a 4th look, etc. of all the 30 photos. How can I do this?
I thought the best way is using cloned variants.
The best way to this is through cloned variants, the same way you would have done this in LR through virtual copies.[quote="NN260238UL" wrote:
But it seems that there is no way to filter them out...
Isn't this a red herring? Isn't this a distraction? Why do you need to filter Cloned Variants? Have you considered a different approach?
For instance, you could create a Project containing as many Albums (or Smart Albums) as looks.
If you are using Albums you can manually place the images on each Album, all you need to do is to set the album as a select collection, using the Set As Selects Collection menu item when right clicking on the Album. This is not that much different than using Collections in LR .
If you are using a Smart Album you can use one of the various ways of grouping images - e.g., keywords, titles, colour tags of which you have 7 - as suggested by SFA. This is not that much different from using LR Smart Collections.
My LR workflow did not worked in C1 without adjustments and enhancements. All in all the new workflow works better and will work, with very little change, better in LR than the LR workflow I was using before switching to C1.0 -
One possible way:
- Select all your 30 variants you have edited in the first place.
- Clone the variants.
- 30 variants are still selected.
- Colour-tag your selected variants with context menu
- Create a smart album or just use one of the filter tools for the colour tag
Instead of the tag you could add a keyword, which is a few more steps but could suit you better, especially for multiple sets of variants.
Note, all variants of an image are equally important, there is no such thing as an original image and dependent variants. e.g. you can delete the first variant without loosing the others.
But if you're convinced LR is better for you and are not willing to learn different ways to achieve what you'd like to achieve then you possibly be better off sticking with LR. Both tools have their strengths, and what you are used to mostly appears better on first sight.
I am here mainly for the image quality and I am willing to make compromises on other things (which doesn't mean your use case is a compromise for me)
cheers0 -
Actually this is a very valid issue that I to have with capture.
Yes I know there are multiple ways to tag and filter but a simple select variants option (also would be great if there was a 1-2-3 stages to this ie. varient 1/2/3) would be great. Often you want to create multiple looks and so multiple variants and want to select them all. You don't sometimes at this stage want to colour tag/rate name change anything.
Very valid criticism.0 -
So many ways to do something and yet we forever want yet more.
Grant0 -
So many ways, with multiple steps, that isn't the simplest way of doing something, is the way that I see it. 0
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