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To old Aperture Useres tell me something

Henrik Lorenzen
Hi there
i have a question that maybe i am not clever enough to answer

With old the Fuzz with 9.1 and things like Geotagging never has been fixed
i desided to go back to Aperture so i imported the same photo in both apps
and exported them with out any adjustments
They looked the same to me only Aperture was a bit darker then C09.1

I should Land scape, no studio work what so ever
I use a Nikon D3 not the worst camera, but i am wondering if i had a never camaera i would see a diffrent
I know Aperture days are numbered and it is not put down C9 at all
and i will still keep using it (once the get it fixed )

So way al this talk about C9 to have this Super fancy Raw Converter when old Aperture does the same (and workes)
Would some please tell me where i would be able to see this big difference

a very confused user 😊
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  • PhaseoneUser55657
    Ya, I to went back to Aperture, and will keep using it until it no longer works.

    To many things that Aperture just does a lot better.

    CO's famous "Red Shift", just give me a stupid way to get rid of it. Not supporting X-Rite color checker, or any kind of profiling, (Now I know Aperture does not have it, but it does not have the "Red Shift" issue). If they don't want to use DNG profiles, fine just give us a way to calibrate our cameras ourself. Sell us a "Color Patch" target and have it do the calibration itself.

    Then there is the issue with the iMac 5K, which is only going to get worse as now they also see a iMac 4K. And I would guess within a year Apple will have nothing less than 4K monitors on their computers, and people are going to start running dual 5K monitors, (Thunderbolt 2 supports external 5K, and sure Thunderbolt 3 is around the corner more than likely supporting multiple.)

    Now, I keep CO up to day, and try it after every update. The upgrade from 8 to 9, was hard to justify, and more than likely will be the last one.

    Robert
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  • Permanently deleted user
    I much prefer C1's processing over Aperture. I'm a Canon shooter, and I don't know how the 2 programs compare for converting Nikon Raws. That said, I find the C1:
    - usually gives me better default Raw adjustments
    - has better noise control
    - gives me more effective sharpness control
    - the Color Balance tool lets me do toning adjustments that aren't possible in Aperture
    - I love C1's layers and what they allow me to do
    - C1 has gradient filter and very good lens and perspective corrections, and Aperture lacks all of these.
    - I like C1's user interface customizability. Aperture's very, very limited by comparison. My workflow in C1 is very nice.

    But I keep Aperture around because I prefer using it for adding extensive metadata, and I prefer to embed my metadata into the Raw files, which of course Capture One won't do.

    Also, it's a little easier to edit with plug-ins in Aperture.

    Overall, if Phase One could get the performance and catalog issues fixed, I'd ditch Aperture altogether. I guess I could live without embedding my metadata, but Phase One still has a bit of work to do on the catalog.
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  • John Doe
    [quote="Lorenzen" wrote:

    They looked the same to me only Aperture was a bit darker then C09.1

    I'd be very surprised if Aperture's output and CO's output really looked the same. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but without any adjustments there should be noticeable differences in terms of sharpness, noise reduction, color rendition, etc.

    So IMO either you didn't look hard enough or your screen isn't good enough.
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  • j thorsen
    We can discuss image quality between raw converters until pink elephants are flying around in the room, but the thing about Aperture is that it's over ☹️ it was fun as long as it lasted... and be happy that we have Capture One which is the closest we can come to Aperture, Capture One has some quirks, but it has a bright future 😊
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  • EnderWiggins
    [quote="Lorenzen" wrote:
    i desided to go back to Aperture so i imported the same photo in both apps
    and exported them with out any adjustments
    They looked the same to me only Aperture was a bit darker then C09.1

    First of all, I don't know if what you did here makes any sense at all. Just converting a RAW into a JPG without any kind of adjustments has nothing to do with what RAW processing is about. Even your camera does more than that when it saves a JPG to the memory card. What you did is a little like cooking without any spices.

    [quote="Lorenzen" wrote:
    So way al this talk about C9 to have this Super fancy Raw Converter when old Aperture does the same (and workes)
    Would some please tell me where i would be able to see this big difference

    I'm a Canon shooter so I can't comment on the quality of Nikon conversions of C1 and/or Aperture. For my Canon RAW files I have to say that after testing Aperture, LR and C1 side by side for several weeks and running very difficult pictures through all three until I maxed out every feature there is, C1 has won the comparison by a landslide. It was not even close. I was so surprised about the differences that I then ran a few picture through Canons own DPP for good measure and even that could not match the C1 files (think about that for a moment!). If you know how to handle it, you will get quality pictures out of C1 which are simply not possible to recreate in either LR or Aperture. I was so amazed that I spent weeks re-editing very old pictures of mine, because I saw them in a new light through C1. Especially the colors are pretty much spot on. C1 nails them from the very initial starting point, where I had to tweak them here and there in LR and Aperture to get a good match. I don't see any red shifts or other things mentioned here, so I would assume that not everybody works with high quality wide gamut displays with good color management.

    We can talk about performance issues, database instability, odd UI design decisions and missing features all day long, but when it comes to pure IQ, there is no contest here (for Canon RAW files, I want to add).
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  • John Doe
    [quote="EnderWiggins" wrote:
    What you did is a little like cooking without any spices.

    And without even turning on the stove. 😂

    We can talk about performance issues, database instability, odd UI design decisions and missing features all day long, but when it comes to pure IQ, there is no contest here (for Canon RAW files, I want to add).

    Same here with Sony RAWs from an RX100. I never tried Aperture, but Capture One gives me for instance a far better starting point than Lightroom to work on my pictures, in terms of sharpness, contrast, noise reduction and color.
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  • NN635770922769309595UL
    I'm a Nikon user who was determined to stick with Aperture whatever **** Apple tried to fend me off with, but eventually came to the same conclusion as j thorsen, and have never looked back.

    I would also agree completely with what John Doe and Ender say, and like Ender only moved after a long and detailed trial side by side with Aperture, LR (2 separate 30 day trials) and CO8 (and also on1 and ACD See).

    Sure, C1 is not perfect, but neither are the others ("perfection" is usually a by-product of familiarity), and any gaps in what C1 can do are plugged for Mac users by using Affinity Photo as external editor.
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  • FirstName LastName
    My experience with Nikons D300, D750 is that using no more that auto-adjust in C1P makes my images look as if they were taken with a camera five years more modern / costing GBP1000 more. Wish I'd changed years ago.
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  • NN635770922769309595UL
    David

    I think that the D750 was only released on 2014 - but good to know that you feel is has a great future over the next 3 years 😄

    (But seriously, I have a D7100 and have been blowing hot and cold about adding a D750 for about 6 months now - your post may just tip the balance in favour).. Thanks from me and may you rot in Hell from the other half).
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