C1 Pro to Photoshop CS5 composite workflow question
I have been playing with the trial version of C1 and am liking most of what it can do for me on the capture side. It is certainly miles better than Nikon's Capture software.
However, I run into problems when I follow my workflow into photoshop. Much of my work has composites and multiple layer creations. Using adobe's smart layers and opening the raw files as objects allow me a huge amount of flexibility during the compositing process. I can go in and make changes very easily on the fly, as the image requires.
However, I cannot export a dng from C1 that has all of the modifications in an editable. Nor can I use Adobe Bridge to open the raw nef with the .xmp that C1 creates. I don't think that xmp has much more than the iptc info.
Is there a way to create an output that would allow me to import the raw file into photoshop, with all of the changes I made in C1, while still allowing me to edit those changes?
Thanks!
However, I run into problems when I follow my workflow into photoshop. Much of my work has composites and multiple layer creations. Using adobe's smart layers and opening the raw files as objects allow me a huge amount of flexibility during the compositing process. I can go in and make changes very easily on the fly, as the image requires.
However, I cannot export a dng from C1 that has all of the modifications in an editable. Nor can I use Adobe Bridge to open the raw nef with the .xmp that C1 creates. I don't think that xmp has much more than the iptc info.
Is there a way to create an output that would allow me to import the raw file into photoshop, with all of the changes I made in C1, while still allowing me to edit those changes?
Thanks!
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[quote="NNN634448935459323316" wrote:
However, I cannot export a dng from C1 that has all of the modifications in an editable. Nor can I use Adobe Bridge to open the raw nef with the .xmp that C1 creates. I don't think that xmp has much more than the iptc info.
Correct. DNG export does not include adjustments made in CO6. The .xmp files contain only IPTC metadata.[quote="NNN634448935459323316" wrote:
Is there a way to create an output that would allow me to import the raw file into photoshop, with all of the changes I made in C1, while still allowing me to edit those changes?
No, I am afraid not. CO6 exports to a TIFF or JPEG.0 -
Thanks Paul.
Rats!
That means the images aimed at going into composites is gonna have to stick with the old workflow. The question now is whether or not it makes sense to switch everything else over to a C1 workflow or just stick where I am at.0 -
I'm in the same boat, although I don't save near as many layers as you do. I am learning C1, and it is a great program.
I guess it depends on how irritated we are with what Adobe is pulling with long time buyers. I'm looking for an alternate program. I can't give up CS5 all together, but with C1 I sure don't need it near as much.
Sue 😊0 -
Well, I pulled the trigger and bought C1. However, for my composites, I will have to stick with the old work flow. My projects tend to fall into either not needing Photoshop at all or needing it totally from the concept on up.
Now I have a new problem: I have been following Peter Krogh's DAM and have been archiving pre C1 projects as DNGs, in 4 gb folders, on a 1st gen Drobo drive. Each 4gb bucket folder is then backed up again onto DVDs. The whole thing gets logged by Media Pro for cataloging and retrievals.
The challenge is that a small C1 session can easily go over the 4 gb limit on the DVD backups. And, if I want to keep the images with their changes in Media Pro, I can't just drag them into a different "bucket" folder for separation into different DVDs.
What are other people doing for archiving projects?0 -
I think a lot of people are in the same position. C1 looks like a great solution until you get into the nitty-gritty. I went DNG and then had to reverse course. Then I went EIP so I could archive the initial changes to raw files and archive them for later use without having to save the original session and settings, but it does not take long before the workflow becomes unwieldy. I have files from several sources and am trying to funnel them into the same archiving workflow. But it makes me nervous that I am having to use a proprietary format. Especially nervous given the ebb and flow of the C1's reliability.
I think it would be good to have a section here on real world workflows, so we can learn what people are doing and how it is working.0 -
Real world here...and a user since 1.0.
Archiving easily is the point of the settings files being included in the image file folder (beginning with V 4). Fast and easy to include them in all backups and archives, they are small...works well IMHO...without the drawbacks of a DAM system. Transparent to the user in it's present form.
OTOH...I've seldom revisited a RAW file from years past (not that that's frequent either) without wanting to adjust and process it under the newer (and usually improved) processing engine currently available....0 -
John4,
That is exactly my situation. Whenever I open an older file, I notice things that I either want to change bc I learned a new trick or bc the render engines have gotten better.
Just so I understand, the settings files you are talking about are the xmp sidecars, right?
If it is, then the only software that seems to read correctly is c1 and media pro. adobe doesn't seem to like c1's sidecars. And viceversa: when I switched the render engine in Media Pro from apple to phaseone, all the dngs I made in photoshop and bridge lost their adjustments.
Which defeated my plan to use dngs as an open archive system that would allow for maximum flexibility in the future.
John4, are you using media pro for cataloging?0
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