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Default keyword library

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My hierarchical keyword structure has been completely flattened after importing libraries from Lightroom and Aperture. I imported the keywords first as a catalog or shared list but no matter how I import the images, the default keyword list is just a flat list of hundreds of keywords. When I try to tidy it up by merging or renaming, C1 takes sometimes 20 minutes or more to change 1 word, sometimes longer and eventually crashes and destroys the catalog so I have to start all over again. I was hoping version 10 might have resolved this but sadly not.

Can anyone advise please the quickest and easiest way to match those keywords in the default list with those in the hierarchy? Is it possible to access the SQLite database perhaps and quickly sort them out in there?

I really like C1 and want to use it but I have to keep going back to Lightroom because of this keyword issue.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Since I posted this earlier, I started manually moving keywords into the proper locations. I started with 35Gb free HDD but just experienced a spectacular crash after C1, which was the only app running, had soaked up all available disk spac, run out of memory and crashed. It has once again corrupted the database and lost over 3 hours' work. I am sick of this - I will report to support.
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  • peter Frings
    Good luck with reporting that. I don't want to sound sarcastic, but I think that so may people have complained about this (check these fora) for quite a while, and very little has changed. I guess it's not high on their to-do list…

    However, I have seen a post here not so long ago where someone managed to import his (her?) Aperture catalog with the keyword-hierarchy intact. It was something about using | characters in Aperture, and then C1 imported them OK. Maybe you can find it...

    Cheers from another ex-Aperture uses that has a love/hate relationship with C1...
    Peter.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Thanks Peter - trouble is, I can't access Aperture any more so just have the sidecar files with the metadata in. Whichever way I try to bring them in to C1 it has the same result, flattended hierarchy. I've reported it anyway, can but try. Meanwhile I'm just moving a few at a time and backing up - a slow way of doing it but I'm determined to solve this.

    Love/hate indeed - it is so much better than Lightroom, I really don't want to resort to that...

    Denise
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  • peter Frings
    [quote="Denise Swanson" wrote:
    Thanks Peter - trouble is, I can't access Aperture any more so just have the sidecar files with the metadata in.
    Denise


    There might be a solution. The thread I referred to previously is this one:



    If this is is the same issue as yours (keywords), you could look for a way to replace the keywords in the sidecar files. The sidecar files are just text files, and so it must be possible to convert the keywords. There might be UI tools to do that. Otherwise, command line tools like "exiftool", awk or perl will definitely do the job.

    Or, if you have access to LR, import them into LR and then import the LR catalog might also work (be sure to set the keyword separator in the preferences).

    Success,
    Peter.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Well, I can shed a little more light on this little predicament. I tried re-importing from Lightroom into a fresh catalogue but still;l the same problem. Tried various other ideas but to no avail. Eventually, I decided there was only one way to do it and that was to tidy up the keywords manually by re-assigning them into the right place in the hierarchy - a little at a time and saving regularly. It was after spending a few hours on this I started to understand what and where the problem lie.

    Prior to Lightroom and Aperture, I used Extensis Portfolio for a while but originally iView Media and also Cumulus. As I was tidying up the keywords I realised that some had correctly imported within their structure whilst others had not and that of those, some were quite old. My thinking now is that whilst these did not show up in either Aperture or Lightroom, they were in the xmp files that got brought into C1
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  • dredlew
    If you use a referenced catalog (meaning images are not stored in the catalog itself), my suggestion would be;

    - find another copy of Aperture, maybe on eBay for cheap
    - import your images (referenced) into Aperture
    - do your keywording like you used to
    - select all images and choose from the "Metadata" menu: "Write IPTC Metadata to Original"
    - open C1, select all images, right-click on one image and choose "Load Metadata"
    - done!

    This is seriously the most hassle-free method to do metadata edits. C1 is far from adequate for this task but I've tried numerous other tools as well to try to handle metadata edits. Aperture is still the best tool around for this job and I'll hang onto it as long as I can just for that one thing. But the key is referenced images, which makes the sync between the two applications really easy.
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