When support for C1 10 settings?
When support for C1 10 settings in MediaPro SE?
Thanks
Thanks
0
-
I'll echo the question. Seeing the catalog in C1 still has its performance limits -to state it mildly- I too would love to see an update to MP SE. 0 -
I will also.
So frustrating they do this.
Last night I tried out a whole flock of alternatives. Even Lightroom cc.
Sadly nothing seems as good on a raw file as C1 on initial import. Also, several boasted of being blazing fast .. lol, I actually believe the speed of C1 on edits v9 v10 is quite good compared to others I tried.
Since they own both products is it too much to ask to release the updates at the same time?0 -
Hi..
i thing you all need , a fast Photo Browse and Strong DAM to C1 😂
what the hell to my old MP ...
C1 is a raw standalon converter.
ann MP is a old standalon Browser viewer.
booth for me are not 100 % compatible .
i talkt to much here about it .
if you are a nikon user, look there free software NX-D and View NX-i how booth works together,
the old Aperture fans are very happy back to there Workflow ... alternative at google.
some people still love MP with C1 , and some skipped away to alternative 😁0 -
I anticipate Phase One will charge us for the Media Pro update to work with Capture One 10. 0 -
It would have to be one heck of an upgrade for me to pay for it. Im not even interested in Downloading it if its free unless it includes the following:
1. Facial Recognition
2. AI's that match Apple Photo (or Google)
3. Ability to Quickly and Easily see my Photos on a MAP.
4. Oh and this one is big: 100% integration to C1. Now and moving forward. Dont know how they could ever guarantee this.
The above is a minimum. Right now, Photos does most of this for me well. I resisted the AI approach to cataloging, but its here, and will continue to get better rapidly. You can add a Keyword and control/build/search if you want to but truth is the AI's make it easier for me to spend time shooting or editing rather than cataloging.
Right now though C1 is the best editor I have found for me. I have tried a ton of them recently. If I was PhaseOne I would abandon MP, put a fork in it and call it done. Right now I feel this is what they have done anyway. .. they just forgot to turn the oven off. At least Apple had the decency to tell us they were discontinuing the product (as much as I hated the decision).
Yes they should basically continue with C1. Keep improving it, if they ever get the catalog working then nice, but they should basically find a way to get their engine into Photos as an extension. Charge $400 for all I care, or keep the subscription model.
I have wasted too much time getting both these products to work together and it continues to frustrate me now for a year. Time to just move on as far as cataloging.
I edit in C1 (maybe Afinity roundtrip). Then send full res JPEG to Photos and call it a day. Let the AI's do their thing and then enjoy some of the "moments" that the AI put together for me.0 -
[quote="NN635399196184276250UL" wrote:
It would have to be one heck of an upgrade for me to pay for it. Im not even interested in Downloading it if its free unless it includes the following:
1. Facial Recognition
2. AI's that match Apple Photo (or Google)
3. Ability to Quickly and Easily see my Photos on a MAP.
4. Oh and this one is big: 100% integration to C1. Now and moving forward. Dont know how they could ever guarantee this.
The above is a minimum. Right now, Photos does most of this for me well. I resisted the AI approach to cataloging, but its here, and will continue to get better rapidly. You can add a Keyword and control/build/search if you want to but truth is the AI's make it easier for me to spend time shooting or editing rather than cataloging.
Right now though C1 is the best editor I have found for me. I have tried a ton of them recently. If I was PhaseOne I would abandon MP, put a fork in it and call it done. Right now I feel this is what they have done anyway. .. they just forgot to turn the oven off. At least Apple had the decency to tell us they were discontinuing the product (as much as I hated the decision).
Yes they should basically continue with C1. Keep improving it, if they ever get the catalog working then nice, but they should basically find a way to get their engine into Photos as an extension. Charge $400 for all I care, or keep the subscription model.
I have wasted too much time getting both these products to work together and it continues to frustrate me now for a year. Time to just move on as far as cataloging.
I edit in C1 (maybe Afinity roundtrip). Then send full res JPEG to Photos and call it a day. Let the AI's do their thing and then enjoy some of the "moments" that the AI put together for me.
I bought Media Pro SE thinking it was going to be the cat's meow. What a total waste of money. I actually deleted it off my computer.
So many things missing. A couple that are a must for me.
Export different size and types of files.
Create and save slideshows.
So for now I use the limited C1 catalogue for everything. I export jpgs of files I might want to show friends and family into photos. I use my AppleTV to view them as slideshows.
Phase One needs to make a version one Capture One that has a Media Pro catalog engine combine this with an iOS app for viewing and they have a winner.0 -
Phase One needs to make a version one Capture One that has a Media Pro catalog engine combine this with an iOS app for viewing and they have a winner.
Even if they did all of this (apart from the editor which exist today) it would still not come close to matching what Photos and Google Photo and for that matter Lightroom are doing today. Im sure Google and Apple are not standing still so Im afraid we would be confined to the world of catch up.
Phase One can not even keep their own 2 products in sync. For me this indicates that MP is hugely secondary to C1 or they lack the resources to keep them in sync.
As for burning the JPEG of the finished product, Im finding myself believing that this is the only way moving forward. Otherwise your locked into which ever devil you choose 😊0 -
As I said before I use Apple Photos to view images on my HDTV when I have friends and/or family over.
I am still trying to work out how to be able to search all of my digital photo files. Some are slides scans, some are negative scans and of course the last 10 years are digital capture. I have most, if not all, keyworded but I need an asset manager for them. I used to use Aperture but have move onto to CO and love it except the fact that if I don't have 3-4 smaller catalogs the program takes forever to open and make adjustments.
I would love a program that could read Capture One edits and sidecar files. Then I could use it as an indexer and search tool. I thought this was Media Pro. I bought it and then realized it is a complete incompatible slug. It can't read Capture One 10 edits. How can this be? They are owned by the same company. So I wasted my money. I have since deleted Media Pro.
Is there any software that can read Capture One edits? Photo Supreme? Photo Mechanic?0 -
[quote="Edgephoto" wrote:
I would love a program that could read Capture One edits and sidecar files. Then I could use it as an indexer and search tool. I thought this was Media Pro.
It still could be, but you might have to swallow some harsh realities and make some compromises (if you don't want to go the Lightroom route). Did you read about the workaround using sessions in the topic "Round Trip MP to C1 Best way"? I don't use CO, but this sounds like the only method for CO/Media Pro integration until Phase One gets their act together. Despite its limitations, Media Pro is still the most thoughtfully-designed single user standalone DAM on the market.
I still don't understand your complaint about not being to export files. Was the function Action > Convert Image Files not sufficient for your needs?0 -
[quote="syncrasy" wrote:
[quote="Edgephoto" wrote:
I would love a program that could read Capture One edits and sidecar files. Then I could use it as an indexer and search tool. I thought this was Media Pro.
It still could be, but you might have to swallow some harsh realities and make some compromises (if you don't want to go the Lightroom route). Did you read about the workaround using sessions in the topic "Round Trip MP to C1 Best way"? I don't use CO, but this sounds like the only method for CO/Media Pro integration until Phase One gets their act together. Despite its limitations, Media Pro is still the most thoughtfully-designed single user standalone DAM on the market.
I still don't understand your complaint about not being to export files. Was the function Action > Convert Image Files not sufficient for your needs?
Apparently I did not find the Convert Image files command. So I am wrong on the export function.
I am currently breaking up my single managed catalog to several small referenced catalogs. Being a former Aperture user and fan I moved everything over in one giant catalog but CO is very slow with some task and I am tired of the spinning beach ball. Once I have all the files moved out of the managed catalog I can then put the smaller catalog files on an SSD to speed things up.
After I get the cataloging finished I am going to reinstall Media Pro and give it a second chance since I paid for it.0 -
as far i now currently there is no good workflow
for using Capture One with Media Pro. many users here and i are very disappointed about the develop for MD SE. but
there is a another way. if you like C1 to bee your main RAW developer and you need to have control on you Images
content, you could tray
C1 in Session Mode , make a one Session Catalog inside your Picture folder inside the Finder on HDD then give it a
name with the year like 2017, the authors years " Sessions" could bee moved into External Drive.
for me the Filter and Keywords function in C1 works fine i could find my pictures in session very good, except on thing the search method in C1 still weak and not case sensitive , i write to Phase one about this in C1 9 but they didn't get it fixed,
what i mean is if you give a picture this Tag " Bird" you can't find it under "bird".
so now you could use MP to you workflow if you need it .
the changes you do in C1 will come in MD, bather-way , you will never get a program showing you the C1 changes
coming from another vendor as Phase one,
But i heard a good news in 2017 coming from Affinity ,the will build a DAM to there Workflow, i don't thing they will work with Phase one.0 -
[quote="Edgephoto" wrote:
After I get the cataloging finished I am going to reinstall Media Pro and give it a second chance since I paid for it.
It might be worth looking at the suggested link before you spend a lot of time setting up C1 catalogues. I deleted all my C1 catalogues after I set up Media Pro to work with sessions, and started again.
The Media Pro catalogues are tiny compared to the C1 catalogues and blazingly fast.
There may well be good reasons why you would want both, but thought it worth mentioning.
Cheers,
Graham0 -
[quote="myotis" wrote:
[quote="Edgephoto" wrote:
After I get the cataloging finished I am going to reinstall Media Pro and give it a second chance since I paid for it.
It might be worth looking at the suggested link before you spend a lot of time setting up C1 catalogues. I deleted all my C1 catalogues after I set up Media Pro to work with sessions, and started again.
The Media Pro catalogues are tiny compared to the C1 catalogues and blazingly fast.
There may well be good reasons why you would want both, but thought it worth mentioning.
Cheers,
Graham
I did a test with reference files, Capture One and Media Pro. My test was unsuccessful so I uninstalled Media Pro again. I do not really want to have to switch my workflow from using catalogs to Sessions. I have put my catalog on an SSD and that has helped tremendously.
My main issue with using C1 to catalog my images was the speed when I click "all files". With the SSD it takes about 30 seconds to get responsive then the filter work. I use keywords but stick to an easy method and not hierarchal keywords. I use stars and not labels, yet anyway and so for me the catalog system works great. I am considering later on going to SSD for storing my photos. a 2TB drive would do me for a while at the rate I use space for photos.0 -
[quote="Edgephoto" wrote:
I did a test with reference files, Capture One and Media Pro. My test was unsuccessful so I uninstalled Media Pro again. I do not really want to have to switch my workflow from using catalogs to Sessions. I have put my catalog on an SSD and that has helped tremendously.
Fair enough, that you don't want to switch workflow, but puzzled as to what could have gone wrong with your test.
SSDs seem to help a lot, and apparently the latest 10.00.01 is also meant to have improved performance again.
Cheers,
Graham0 -
[quote="myotis" wrote:
[quote="Edgephoto" wrote:
I did a test with reference files, Capture One and Media Pro. My test was unsuccessful so I uninstalled Media Pro again. I do not really want to have to switch my workflow from using catalogs to Sessions. I have put my catalog on an SSD and that has helped tremendously.
Fair enough, that you don't want to switch workflow, but puzzled as to what could have gone wrong with your test.
SSDs seem to help a lot, and apparently the latest 10.00.01 is also meant to have improved performance again.
Cheers,
Graham
The failure I experienced in my test was this:
I wanted both Capture One and Media Pro to reference the same catalog. So if I make a change, like rating or label, it will show up in the other program.
I tried it both ways. Regenerated the Preview in Capture One and the rating/label did not show that I added in Media Pro. I then added a label/rating in Capture One and rebuilt/refreshed,(can't rememeber what is is called), and the changes did not show up.
So in order to catalog with Media Pro I would have to switch to sessions. I honestly do not want to do that. On top of this Media Pro does not show Capture One 10 edits yet. So obviously Media Pro is a hobby for Phase One. I am just pissed I wasted the money on a product I can't get use from.
At this point what I have decided to do is just live with Capture One. On an SSD it seems to be fast enough that there is no lag even with a 15,000+ picture catalog. I am hoping over time the Capture One can get things a bit speedier with large catalogs. Aperture did it so it can be done.
Since I am not a pro anymore I do not sell or have to deliver a project to a client. I stopped doing weddings for my friend's studio 7-8 years ago. I just print some of my better stuff for display and torture friends and family with "slide shows" on my living room big screen. Since I am an Apple user I am exporting jpegs of the correct size for display and I keep them in Photos. I keep that catalog on a separate disk,0 -
[quote="Edgephoto" wrote:
So in order to catalog with Media Pro I would have to switch to sessions. I honestly do not want to do that. On top of this Media Pro does not show Capture One 10 edits yet. So obviously Media Pro is a hobby for Phase One. I am just pissed I wasted the money on a product I can't get use from.
Ah, I see, the link to the other post about integrating C1 with MP was all about sessions, so that was what I assumed you had tried and failed with. MP really only works with sessions, where it will show the edits, except when Phase break it, as they have done with release 10 of C1.
It should have synced the ratings etc, as that is done via XMP files, but setting up is a bit of a faff.
It is unfortunately obvious that Phase have very little interest in Media Pro, and it seems to fall far short of the integration with C1 you might expect.
I've just set up some catalogues again, to try out, and I am finding them disappointingly slow, and although I have a working set up with C1 and sessions, its still a bit clunky.
We can only hope that Phase get Mp sorted out, or C1 sorted out, or even better both.
Cheers,
Graham0 -
one thing i dont get it here !
way are you using Media Pro to C1 Catalog ?
what is the benefid for this workfolw ?
Phase one works with C1 only in Session Mode, i thing because they have seperat cloosed Catalog.
this Workflow ist normal in all vendors, batherway Media Pro dont works with Lightroom, AppelFoto and Aperture
because they all working with cloosed Catalog.0 -
[quote="CAPTURE NIKON D700" wrote:
one thing i dont get it here !
way are you using Media Pro to C1 Catalog ?
what is the benefid for this workfolw ?
Phase one works with C1 only in Session Mode, i thing because they have seperat cloosed Catalog.
this Workflow ist normal in all vendors, batherway Media Pro dont works with Lightroom, AppelFoto and Aperture
because they all working with cloosed Catalog.
This has been discussed in a few threads already and there was a link to the MP/C1 workflow earlier in this thread.
viewtopic.php?f=43&t=24727
I'm not using the C1 catalogues, that is the point. If you have MP, there is no point in using the C1 catalogues.
The benefit is speed. Everything happens almost instantaneously with MP. No waiting for rendering of previews or thumbnails (at least not with my 20,000 file database). MP also launches and closes almost instantaneously.
Sessions that only working with a limited number of images, sent from MP, are also faster.
And until Phase broke it again with release 10. All the edits/crops made in the C1 session are shown in MP.
But, Phase still need to smooth the MP to C1 session workflow, and it seems fairly obvious that they have no real interest in MP, or a proper MP/C1 integration. But I would like to be proved wrong on this.
Cheers,
Graham0 -
The benefit is speed. Everything happens almost instantaneously with MP. No waiting for rendering of previews or thumbnails (at least not with my 20,000 file database). MP also launches and closes almost instantaneously.
.
i am using C1 9 in Session Mode and also have MP SE,
i see my changes in MP are coming from C1 BUT the speed is also slow i have to wait for second to build a image
thats way i ask for benefit. i am a old user MP and C1 and write in this forum here , i did't finde any kind benefit to use this App, its still have the old code from I viewer and Microsoft, there are only Old video about it in the Web
maybe authors users are using it special.to there Workflow but i keep asked What the hell 😂0 -
[quote="CAPTURE NIKON D700" wrote:
i am using C1 9 in Session Mode and also have MP SE,
i see my changes in MP are coming from C1 BUT the speed is also slow i have to wait for second to build a image
thats way i ask for benefit.
Updating an image edited in C1, certainly takes time to render for the first time, but I have found everything else to be instantaneous in MP, as I described.
I have been using LR (20,000 images), MP (20,000 images) and C1 (8000 images) and the slowness of C1 and LR, compared to MP, was frustratingly obvious.
But I think we all need to just use what works for us. I am still undecided about staying with MP, trying to use C1 for cataloguing, as well as raw processing, or going back to LR for cataloguing.
Cheers,
Graham0 -
I got it .. the big catalog size with big monster 14 000 saved images are the problem . This way i dont get the problem To see.
Here is my workflow .
For each year i build a session folder on hd call it 2017
The old years sessions i move it and store it to usb drive .
My media pro catalog still stored the link and recognized
It My capture one still can open the sessions .
But My mp catalog growth biger. This could bee splitted to year name 2017 . 2016 .....0 -
[quote="CAPTURE NIKON D700" wrote:
I got it .. the big catalog size with big monster 14 000 saved images are the problem . This way i dont get the problem To see.
But My mp catalog growth biger. This could bee splitted to year name 2017 . 2016 .....
You shouldn't need to split the MP catalogue, it will easily cope with a large database.
Keeping sessions for each year in C1, but one big MP database for all years, so you can search across years should work well.
Cheers,
Graham0 -
Like many I get the feeling* Phase One are waiting for Capture One to perform as well as Media Pro for cataloguing then they'll dump MP. Making Capture One do that has been a much bigger task that Phase One anticipated.
Creating a solid database driven, image cataloguing application is very difficult. Look at the performance issues in Capture One PRO and Lightroom. However Apple seemed to be able to do it.
FWIW Shayne Bowman published an iView MediaPro <-> Capture One PRO workflow using Sessions over ten years and not much has changed since!
*Not based on evidence just my gut feeling/ alternative facts
.0 -
[quote="roberte" wrote:
Like many I get the feeling* Phase One are waiting for Capture One to perform as well as Media Pro for cataloguing then they'll dump MP. Making Capture One do that has been a much bigger task that Phase One anticipated.
*Not based on evidence just my gut feeling/ alternative facts
.
Its difficult not to draw this conclusion, as there is so little interest in fixing bugs or maintaining what little integration there is between C1 and MP, let alone any proper development of MP.
A great shame.
Cheers,
Graham0 -
Camera Bits (Photo Mechanic) and Serif (Affinity Photo) have both said they plan to offer a DAM (Camera Bits has been teasing us with their mythical catalog for over 5 years now). I wonder if either of those companies has considered buying Media Pro to take it off Phase One's hands (assuming Phase One would sell it and the intellectual property issues could be ironed out).
I'm only partially joking.0 -
[quote="syncrasy" wrote:
Camera Bits (Photo Mechanic) and Serif (Affinity Photo) have both said they plan to offer a DAM (Camera Bits has been teasing us with their mythical catalog for over 5 years now)..
Interesting idea 😊
The photo mechanic database is a bit more than mythical in that they demonstrated a beta (alpha) at a photo show about 5 years ago and regularly mention that they are working on it every day.
I think the delay reflects how difficult it is to develop a database They have hinted that one problem is getting something working reliably that also fits in with the Photo Mechanic reputation for speed. They are also hinting that PM6 with database capability isn't that far away.
It seems to fit in with Serif as they have hinted their DAM is years away, and as they are also looking at Photo, Designer and a DTP program, a general purpose asset manager like Media Pro, would sit well with the proposed suite. It would also be nice to see it back home with a British company 😊
Maybe someone should suggest it to Phase One, or maybe they are going to surprise us with MP3.
Cheers,
Graham0 -
Come one, Phase One. Do you have only one person in software development or what?
I've contacted support and filed my complaint about this two months ago; it's now almost three months since C1 v10 launched. Get something going here or refund the people that trusted you enough to shell out the money for an upgrade that was already *extremely* minimal.
I love C1. I've resigned to do my cataloging in another program as C1 just doesn't work as a DAM on my machine. I've shelled out for MP SE. But now I only feel let down and I'm about to draw my conclusions.0 -
I just did a clean install on a new Mac and was selective about what software was installed. Sadly Media Pro (aka iView) didn't make it - the first time in 13 years. /rant 0 -
I could not take it anymore. Last week delete MediaPro and Capture One and canceled my subscription.
C1 a very nice editor, but its lacking a DAM that works, and MediaOne not being updated. I have wasted too much time over this, and paying good money for it as well.
There are a few decent products on the market, and they are rapidly developing.
I came to the conclusion I do not need THE BEST editor.
TIME, Living Life and actually taking pictures more important.
The job of software is to make things easier, not frustrate me.0 -
C1 Version 10.1 is out and still no support for C1 10 settings 0
Post ist für Kommentare geschlossen.
Kommentare
32 Kommentare