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30 Bit photography workflow now supported?

OBA-HdM
Dear all,

there have been discussions and questions asking whether Capture One supports 30 bit photography workflow (10 bits per color channel) or not. AFAIK there was no support yet, but times may have changed.
So here's the question again: Does Capture One 8.3.4 support this feature?
The hardware won't be the problem (Eizo CG277, NVIDIA Quadro K2200).

Thank you.
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  • Christian Gruner
    No CO version currently supports viewing images at more than 8 bit per channel. However, if choosing 16 bit for processing, CO will of course compute and output to file in 16 bit pr channel.
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  • OBA-HdM
    [quote="Christian Gruner" wrote:
    No CO version currently supports viewing images at more than 8 bit per channel. However, if choosing 16 bit for processing, CO will of course compute and output to file in 16 bit pr channel.

    Thank you for the quick response.
    But that means, that I would need additional software (like Photoshop) in order to take profit from the hardware. That's a pity, because CO would be sufficient for our workflow.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Please correct me if I'm wrong but the entire more-bit-thing is about preservation of image data throughout the processing steps. If you have 16 bit (per channel) for the digital description of image information it's possible to describe more discrete steps. And to keep this information as long as possible. Just for the output you most probably will always generate an 8-bit version of the file. Perhaps there are high-end printers which understand 16bit, I don't know. But what provides you better hardware usage? Why would you need PS? No doubt, for further editing of 16bit TIFF data you'd need an editor which works with 16bit. But this is for data manipulation and preservation only. In case you have an high-end printer which allows 16bit you could print directly from C1. Or did I understando you completely wrong?

    C1's actual versions need an 64bit processor to run - but that's it. Concerning bit width of the RAW data it depends on the camera / mode (8, 10, 12, 14bits) and the setting in which C1 treats this data, in 8-bit width or in 16-bit-width.
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  • SFA
    [quote="NNN634511773615441266" wrote:
    [quote="Christian Gruner" wrote:
    No CO version currently supports viewing images at more than 8 bit per channel. However, if choosing 16 bit for processing, CO will of course compute and output to file in 16 bit pr channel.

    Thank you for the quick response.
    But that means, that I would need additional software (like Photoshop) in order to take profit from the hardware. That's a pity, because CO would be sufficient for our workflow.


    I have no knowledge about the sort of benefits one might expect to obtain.

    Presumably you would really only benefit if the entire presentation and display chain of hardware/software all supported 10bits per channel or greater?

    What do you see as the big benefit to the extended capabilities?



    Grant
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  • OBA-HdM
    There are many sites explaining the benefits, like this one:
    https://photographylife.com/what-is-30- ... y-workflow

    So in short: I want to see (or get presented/displayed) as much information as I can for a better judgement of the image quality and image details.
    I want to avoid banding and posterization effects which could cause a misleading judgement of the images taken.
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  • SFA
    [quote="NNN634511773615441266" wrote:
    There are many sites explaining the benefits, like this one:
    https://photographylife.com/what-is-30- ... y-workflow

    So in short: I want to see (or get presented/displayed) as much information as I can for a better judgement of the image quality and image details.
    I want to avoid banding and posterization effects which could cause a misleading judgement of the images taken.


    Thanks,

    Perhaps by coincidence I read that thread yesterday after posting my question.

    Reply 26 from Andrew Rodney was rather interesting.

    Now I am aware of the potential (at least the potential that is, currently, available only for those with quite deep pockets) that is coming into being I will enjoy following the discussions.

    It occurs to me that you might well be able to assess images on screen without posterization, make your edits and drag colour values into the visibly reproduceable gamut of a top quality screen yet still experience strange results, including banding, when the output is printed or displayed on lesser screens or at viable resolutions for, say, internet sharing.

    Another article I read yesterday explained the benefits of 4k and 5k and 30bits, etc., for the video industry where the case seemed to have significant practical merit for everyday work.

    I'm looking forward to learning more.


    Grant
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  • Dave R
    [quote="Michael11" wrote:
    Please correct me if I'm wrong but the entire more-bit-thing is about preservation of image data throughout the processing steps. If you have 16 bit (per channel) for the digital description of image information it's possible to describe more discrete steps. And to keep this information as long as possible. Just for the output you most probably will always generate an 8-bit version of the file. Perhaps there are high-end printers which understand 16bit, I don't know. But what provides you better hardware usage? Why would you need PS? No doubt, for further editing of 16bit TIFF data you'd need an editor which works with 16bit. But this is for data manipulation and preservation only. In case you have an high-end printer which allows 16bit you could print directly from C1. Or did I understando you completely wrong?

    C1's actual versions need an 64bit processor to run - but that's it. Concerning bit width of the RAW data it depends on the camera / mode (8, 10, 12, 14bits) and the setting in which C1 treats this data, in 8-bit width or in 16-bit-width.

    Canon Pro series (1, 10, 100) support 16bit printing if you install the xps driver for those printers on your PC. However as far as I can see Capture One uses an 8 bit printing pipeline.
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  • Orvine42
    That sounds great!! I am a Port Macquarie Photographer and I also heard all this but couldn’t find the exact details. I am so glad to read all this here. Thanks for sharing dear!
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