Capture One 8 and X-Rite ColorChecher Passport
I am considering Captue One 8 and I must say it is a very valuable tool. Working with Camera Raw Colorchecher X-Rite for the profiles of the Eos 5D MIII and I get along very well. does anyone know if C1 reads the profiles created by Colorchcher?
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No, it does not. With the X-Rite SW you can create dcp profiles which can be used in ACR, Lr, Iridient, AccuRaw and may be some other raw developer but not in Capture One. 0 -
I therefore confirm that C1 does not support the profile created x-rite? 0 -
This thread explains why
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[quote="NN635502940856284623UL" wrote:
I therefore confirm that C1 does not support the profile created x-rite?
you can use rawdigger ( http://www.rawdigger.com = http://www.rawdigger.com/usermanual/selection-grid ) directly with a raw containing a properly shot target, rawdigger will export to cgats file (you might want to use gamma 1.8 for output destined for C1 camera profile there) and then use makeinputcc by Iliah Borg (gui front end for argyll) to create a camera profile for C1 (it has reference data for most common targets, that is if you do not own a spectrophotometer) = http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3513379 ... you might want to use Lab cLUT if you want to use color editor in C1(C1 expect that inside a camera profile to enable coloreditor corrections).0 -
In recent weeks I have done some tests and wrote to several manufacturers for the problem of the Target color 24 in order to create profiles for C1.
- X-Rite has no plans to modify its software to create an ICC profile that fits in C1
- DATACOLOR wrote me that C1 has channels HSL limited and therefore fail to modify their software to C1 are now compatible for Camera RAW and PHOCUS
- These days I am trying basICColor which produces the ICC profile that C1 law but the result is a picture off. I'm doing other evidence of their claim. The result is slightly better but far compared to using X-Rite with Camera Raw and distant from the original image.
I think I'll have to give up using a Target color 24 to calibrate the color quickly using C1.
I try to do other experiments.
Lazza0 -
I'm find easiest way on OS X to use free software by Jose Pereira RoughProfiler based on Argyll CMS 0 -
I tried to download it but I can not download it! You have a precise address where to download it?
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Until I can find a better (and easier) solution I use the software that came with the ColorChecker Passport.
I let it create a .dcp profile then create an ICC profile, using dcp2icc, for use in CaptureOne.
This process does not include any gamma correction (the dcp profiles are linear types) so I when I set my own profiles in C1 I set the centre slider of the 'Levels' control to -0.46 to correct the gamma error in the profile.
This process works quite well for my landscape photography.
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i think something broken on Jose's site try to contact him
http://www.jpereira.net/feedback/contacto/jose-pereira0 -
NNN635209198550339456,
What process do you use to create the input TIFF for Rough Profiler ?0 -
tiff created with Effects -> no colour correction or with native software (NX2 for me)
profile algorithm in roughtprofiler "gamma + matrix" and linear response curve in CaptureOne with created profile0 -
Not the grim linear respons?
Entries there are not many but can not find it!0 -
I wrote to Pereria on the problem below your answer to the problem of using the ICC profile of the Capture One:
I am agree with your observations. Your issue is a "conceptual" problem.
First, the "input ICC profiles", were developed for scanners not for DSLR. Capture One use it, but perhaps would not be the best choice. For this reason Adobe invented the "DNG Camera Profiles". Capture One work with the color transformation structures of ICC Profiles, as Matrix and cLUTs.
Some raw developers as Capture One or Darktable use ICC profiles, but others as Iridient or Raw Therapee use Adobe DCP, i prefer to work with Adobe DCP profiles for raw develop, and not with ICC profles. The ICC profiles are right for "output refered images" as TIFF, JPEG, etc, but, perhaps not for "input refered images" as RAW images.
Even so, you can try a profile type "XYZ LUT" the LUT (Look up Table) are more accurate than Matrix
For best accuracy results when you work with Adobe DCP profiles, you must make a good tonal adjustment.
The aspects about the use of ICC Profiles in RAW developer it's a hard discusion!
In my webpage (sorry is in spanish but perhaps you can translate with Google) i have a post about the tonal adjustment:
http://www.jpereira.net/gestion-de-colo ... uste-tonal0 -
[quote="NN635502940856284623UL" wrote:
but others as Iridient or Raw Therapee use Adobe DCP
actually both Iridient and Rawtherapee can use both "icc" and "dcp" profiles - whatever suits you[quote="NN635502940856284623UL" wrote:
i prefer to work with Adobe DCP profiles for raw develop, and not with ICC profles. The ICC profiles are right for "output refered images" as TIFF, JPEG, etc, but, perhaps not for "input refered images" as RAW images.
somehow there are no advantages colorwise in ACR/LR output developed w/ dcp profiles vs C1 output developed w/ icc profiles besides a taste preference... it all depends on your personal skills w/ both profiles and raw converters.[quote="NN635502940856284623UL" wrote:
Even so, you can try a profile type "XYZ LUT" the LUT (Look up Table) are more accurate than Matrix
from 24 patches (w/ several greyscale withing a set) accuracy by using LUTs is a wishful thinking, don't you think ?0 -
Honestly I went in crisis!
The fact is that with C1 ColorCheker ICC Profiling Software (basICColor or rouchProfiler) is not able to get the results that are obtained with ACR X-Rite software.
I understand that with C1 should use its settings without using external ICC profiles created by other software.
In fact I noticed that ICC profiles then used Photoshop to work.
I surrender!0 -
Hi I may have figured out where wrong. see attached picture: if I create the TIFF from the menu on the left side the generated TIFF incorporates the profile of the camera and if the son of the export function does not insert the profile of the camera but to AdobeRGB.
At this point, please confirm whether the exports at the center of the screen attached has a bug in the export!
Using the generation of left menu software ROUGHPROFILE generates a correct ICC profile that bed C1 makes photography almost real.
I would say that I found the problem.
Thanks anyway for the support.
lazza
https://www.dropbox.com/s/59zmwgbi1dp5s ... F.jpg?dl=00 -
Hello,
I use Basicolor input and their target DCAM. In the passed I tried Basicolor Input and the X rite color checker, but it doesn't work well because no patches exists larger than Adobe RGB.
I defined one ICC by 5 temperatures (2500k; 3500k;5500k; 6500k and 9000k)of color and each lense because we don't know exactly the response of each patch regarding the temperature and the source.
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Try this http://www.jpereira.net/roughprofiler
is free, and I think it works well with C1 with the foresight to follow the notes to create a TIFF without profile sRGB or AdobRGB but with built-in camera profile. On ROUGHPROFILE use the selection RANGE + MATRIX while on C1 selected the new profile created put LINEAR RESPONSE
When photographing paintings I find it very realistic.
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@LAZZA
Is this correct?
Thanks
http://i.imgur.com/dS7RJ4C.jpg0 -
Excuse me but I have been away!
It is correct.
Then when changes in C1 profile also put curve: line response
Keep in mind that this software was made to calibrate the scanner but can also work for the camera.0 -
I forgot it is important to export the RAW files in TIFF incorporates camera profile. Note that C1 does this correctly only by TAB specific.
I attach screen https://www.dropbox.com/s/ai9p060u5inh2 ... F.jpg?dl=00 -
Hi LAZZA! 😄
Can I ask you a big favour?
Send me an e-mail to parimarcosi at xxx . com 😉
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Hello, for an input profile with RoughProfiler if you use "Gamma + matrix" profile will be well recognized in C1 but will not work correctly. C1 operates with LAB mode profiles or Xyz requires a lookup table "Lut" is the line A2B0 not been found in Gamma mode.https://dl.dropbox.com/s/e466997rdynp08x/Capture%20d%E2%80%99%C3%A9cran%202015-02-18%20%C3%A0%2010.46.15.png?dl=0
To check open an image in C1 with a profile "Gamma + matrix" and the color editor select a color: no adjustment works!0 -
AAlain confirm what you say. you can not intervene with color editor.
If you use other algorithms in "Rough Profiler" does work but the result is poor.
We hope that sooner or later PhaseOne interfaces with some manufacturer of target color.0 -
Yes impossible to obtain a correct result in LAB with RP, the only ones that work properly are ProfileMaker (which is no longer supported) and basICColor and even this has not been easy, but it's done I managed !
Really sad that Xrite has dropped this software which was great, and all to turn to the DCP which is to date a wider market. ☹️0 -
basICColor I used and I would go back to do the tests. what discourages is the cost of 300 €! I confirm your thinking for X-rite 0 -
I too would like to have some sort of better dng camera profile for colour metric accurate colour.
For Fine Art Reproduction, I need tonnes and colour to be accurate. Correct me if I am wrong but the DNG produced by C1 can not use any thing that C1 offers. No changes such as white balance are retained in the dng.
My only work around is to use CI to make a tiff:
Use CI white balance and exposure control with a SG chart. Set white to 243RGB units. Apply all corrections to all files including a white card image. Use the LCC correction. Then Output embedding the ICC created by C1. In CS5 32 bit Edit -Assign profile - remove profile and then use Pictocolors IN Camera to make the new profile. Now my colour is correct. This ICC profile can be read in C1 but it is very exposure dependent. And all the settings must be the same.
This does not work for landscape, interiors or product photography.0
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