C1 8.3.4/ 9.0.1 & OS X 10.10.5 / 10.11.2 (Yosemite or ElCap)
Re-bringing this topic up to find out the latest:
Wondering what the general consensus is currently with which C1 version is best to run with, and in combination of which Mac OS? (as of Thurs 31st December, 2015).
Capture One 8.3.4 / Capture One 9.0.1 with OS X 10.10.5 (Yosemite) / or OS X 10.11.2 (El Capitan)
I'm currently still running OS X 10.10.5 (latest/last Yosemite)...c1 8.3.4 seems relatively rock solid. I've also installed and lightly tested 9.0.1 but have never ran a full, live, working day on it yet.
I understand and normally prescribe by the old attitude of "don't fix what's not broken", but I work on set as Digi Tech and so my predicament falls between 1) keeping up to date with updates / bug fixes / work flows VS 2) keeping a system that is largely stable. I'm freelance, working for a few different photographers, so my computer will need to work and tether with all major pro-camera systems (Nikon, Canon, Phase etc).
I can't keep running v8 forever as photographers slowly move their personal systems and workflows over to v9. But I also can't leap too early to v9, leaving photographers unable to open their Sessions...(I do however have and use both).
But what are people's experience using C1 9.0.1 on El Capitan? Is it stable? Do we still have memory leaks? Do all camera systems tether well on OS X 10.11.2? Or are people still experiencing problems... And are there people out there using C1 8 on El Capitan? Is THAT working well or has support fallen off with v9 now in the frame? Are both versions playing nicely with El Cap? Should I hold off updating my OS? What combination of systems are people using?
P.S. side note:
I don't ever remember going through this with past versions of C1 and OS. Maybe in future Phase shouldn't really be looking to drop new Version updates so close to the OS? Maybe they should stagger, to minimise teething issues?
Wondering what the general consensus is currently with which C1 version is best to run with, and in combination of which Mac OS? (as of Thurs 31st December, 2015).
Capture One 8.3.4 / Capture One 9.0.1 with OS X 10.10.5 (Yosemite) / or OS X 10.11.2 (El Capitan)
I'm currently still running OS X 10.10.5 (latest/last Yosemite)...c1 8.3.4 seems relatively rock solid. I've also installed and lightly tested 9.0.1 but have never ran a full, live, working day on it yet.
I understand and normally prescribe by the old attitude of "don't fix what's not broken", but I work on set as Digi Tech and so my predicament falls between 1) keeping up to date with updates / bug fixes / work flows VS 2) keeping a system that is largely stable. I'm freelance, working for a few different photographers, so my computer will need to work and tether with all major pro-camera systems (Nikon, Canon, Phase etc).
I can't keep running v8 forever as photographers slowly move their personal systems and workflows over to v9. But I also can't leap too early to v9, leaving photographers unable to open their Sessions...(I do however have and use both).
But what are people's experience using C1 9.0.1 on El Capitan? Is it stable? Do we still have memory leaks? Do all camera systems tether well on OS X 10.11.2? Or are people still experiencing problems... And are there people out there using C1 8 on El Capitan? Is THAT working well or has support fallen off with v9 now in the frame? Are both versions playing nicely with El Cap? Should I hold off updating my OS? What combination of systems are people using?
P.S. side note:
I don't ever remember going through this with past versions of C1 and OS. Maybe in future Phase shouldn't really be looking to drop new Version updates so close to the OS? Maybe they should stagger, to minimise teething issues?
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Answers can be found in various threads of this and the C1 8 forum.
I've waited fairly long but finally made the switch to C1 9.0.1 and El Capitan. Most annoying is the occasional high memory consumption (it is not a leak) and poor performance when trying to manage keywords in the new keyword library feature. I hope that these issues will be addressed in a 9.0.2 update which might be coming soon. I can live with these issues for now and otherwise it has been working fine. Haven't used tethering yet with 9.0.1.0 -
[quote="DarylOrillaza" wrote:
But what are people's experience using C1 9.0.1 on El Capitan? Is it stable? Do we still have memory leaks? Do all camera systems tether well on OS X 10.11.2? Or are people still experiencing problems... And are there people out there using C1 8 on El Capitan? Is THAT working well or has support fallen off with v9 now in the frame? Are both versions playing nicely with El Cap? Should I hold off updating my OS? What combination of systems are people using?
P.S. side note:
I don't ever remember going through this with past versions of C1 and OS. Maybe in future Phase shouldn't really be looking to drop new Version updates so close to the OS? Maybe they should stagger, to minimise teething issues?
I upgraded because I wanted some specific functionality that was not available in C1-8. I had not expected to upgrade and thought that I would just use version 8, at least for a while, but found that the color masking functionality was just too good for me to pass up on. I am running on El Capitan and, aside from high memory usage, C1 is running fine. It is stable, has not crashed at all and all functional problems have been tied to other products, not C1. But then, of course, I do not do tethering.
I believe that the request that C1 wait until new OS versions are stable is not reasonable from a marketing perspective. It is not uncommon that an OS upgrade like the one to El Capitan may cause problems with an earlier C1 version and users who upgrade to that new OS want a concurrent release that will work with the new OS. There was a lot of Sturm Und Drang on this website over the fact that C1 was behind the curve as it was.
People should understand that often software companies are not kept informed about OS changes sufficiently to be able to make sure that their new software will not have a problem running on it. They may get an early release and write their software to the new release, but Apple and Microsoft are continually making changes to the new OS and some of those changes are going to adversely impact other companies. Last minute changes made to an OS can not be communicated to the third party companies in time for simultaneous releases so often there are issues that have to be updated after the release.
It has been a problem for a long time.0 -
[quote="MikeFromMesa" wrote:
I upgraded...
To C1 9 on ElCap?
I am still hesitating to do the jump to OS X 10.11 from 10.10.5 - I'll probably wait until 10.11.3...0 -
[quote="Olyver" wrote:
[quote="MikeFromMesa" wrote:
I upgraded...
To C1 9 on ElCap?
I am still hesitating to do the jump to OS X 10.11 from 10.10.5 - I'll probably wait until 10.11.3...
I had planned to wait until perhaps summer. My thought was that C1 often has a sale around then and I was not in any particular hurry to upgrade. However playing around with the color editor masking made me less willing to wait as I thought it was a very useful feature.
I knew about the memory issues and I had seen some of that on my system, but it never got to a point where it was really a problem, even for my Mini, so I just decided to go ahead, and I do not regret the change. The two big issues seem to be the memory usage (which does affect me) and tethering (which does not since I do not tether). But, all in all, I think the upgrade was the right thing for me to do.0 -
[quote="MikeFromMesa" wrote:
I knew about the memory issues and I had seen some of that on my system
May I be excused... I did not understand so far if the mentioned memory issue has to be attributed to the C1 9 release or to El Capitan - or to the combination of both?
I am running C1 9 on Yosemite (Mac Pro Mid 2010 - 32 GB RAM) and I'm satisfied with overall performance (tethering isn't an option for my Olympus cameras).0 -
[quote="Olyver" wrote:
May I be excused... I did not understand so far if the mentioned memory issue has to be attributed to the C1 9 release or to El Capitan - or to the combination of both?
I assume the problem has to do with the new C1 release, although I can not be sure.
C1-8 ran just fine on both Yosemite and El Capitan without any memory issues. For a while I had both installed simultaneously and I could run version 8 without seeing any large memory usage, but switching to version 9 gave me the issues. Removing version 8 did not fix the problem.
I have not run out of memory, but it is not uncommon for me to see myself down to about 2 GB of memory when I am running version 9 with > 100 raw images.0 -
Having no technical insights at all on this I am no expert but the following thoughts may be valid.
Firstly, V9 has a new engine so one might expect that the opportunity has been taken to make use of whatever the latest core technology developments offer. Some options may be close to the bleeding edge.
There is not much point in spending money on memory just to watch it not being used.
Memory utilisation should be maximised by an individual application whilst ensuring that any additional applications that might be called into operation by a user can access whatever memory they need. Ditto compute capacity, etc.
In general if one is dealing with large data files there will tend ot be a bigger effect on memory usage of one sort or anther than there will be when working with smaller files.
In general the higher the specification a system offers the faster the performance will be. RAW Image file editing is not something that usually sits at the power end of the process power demand scale. In Intel terms there are significant differences in available performance of each generation of chips in the i3, i5 and i7 families.
My very personal opinion is that anything less than i7 is likely to under-impress for image processing especially if one is taking a long term view and/or upgrading camera hardware for larger sensors on a regular basis.
YMMV.
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[quote="DarylOrillaza" wrote:
Re-bringing this topic up to find out the latest:
But what are people's experience using C1 9.0.1 on El Capitan? Is it stable? Do we still have memory leaks? Do all camera systems tether well on OS X 10.11.2? Or are people still experiencing problems... And are there people out there using C1 8 on El Capitan? Is THAT working well or has support fallen off with v9 now in the frame? Are both versions playing nicely with El Cap? Should I hold off updating my OS? What combination of systems are people using?
You asked about people's experiences: I am running OS X 10.11.2 on a MacBook Pro 9,2 with 8GB RAM and a 2.9GHz i7. "Use Open CL" is set to Never. I do not tether or use sessions. I am on CaptureOne Pro 9.0.1 and apart from the annoying crop bug where you cannot set the default dimensions to px have had no problems whatsoever. I was reluctant to jump from 8 but the Webinar in v9 won me over, especially for what you can do with the color editor.0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
My very personal opinion is that anything less than i7 is likely to under-impress for image processing especially if one is taking a long term view and/or upgrading camera hardware for larger sensors on a regular basis.
You might also mention that the higher the "core" count the better. That is, a quad core i7 is better than a dual core i7 since it can support twice as many threads. In general hyper threading will probably yield better performance.0 -
[quote="NN635770922769309595UL" wrote:
especially for what you can do with the color editor.
I completely agree with that.0 -
I too am juggling between which to upgrade first - OS 10.10.5 > 10.11.2 ? or C1 8.3.4 > 9.0.1 ?
Reading through this thread so far it seems to suggest it's 'safer' to run C1 8.3.4 on OS 10.11.2 first and then later C1 9.0.1 or even wait for 9.1. I am an amateur wildlife photographer and don't do tethering.
At least Apple have moved on to 10.11.2 quite quickly - I never like to upgrade any software as early as a 'dot 0'
Am I right in thinking that C1 9 has an improved RAW conversion engine, please? Not that I am at all critical of C1 8's RAW converter but I like to get the most I can out of every RAW file captured.0 -
The initial raw conversion appears to be no different. The contrast tool is improved though. 0 -
[quote="sizzlingbadger" wrote:
The initial raw conversion appears to be no different. The contrast tool is improved though.
....Thanks for that info about the RAW conversion. 😊
I don't think I have ever found the need to use the Contrast slider (under EXPOSURE). I use the Structure slider a lot though (under CLARITY).0 -
Interesting that it seems that the majority (on here anyway) don't shoot tethered. 0
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