color problem - blue is not blue
hi all:) I am working with 5dmkII, new iMac, elinchrom and white balance card. I noticed, my colours are not exactly as they look in reality. example my colour which is more like 3c2ef7 from C1 look like 2e6bf7. also I have problem with any pink/orange hue:( previously I was using Lr5 and i don't have so much problem with colours:( I will be really appreciate for any suggestion. thank you jacek
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Capture One profiles are not colorimetrically accurate - they're meant to be "pleasing" rather than true-to-life.
Quite a few of us have expressed problems with Capture One's pinks, reds and oranges - the current Capture One "look" clearly emphasises these colours to give the overly warm orange cast that Capture One provides in profiles for newer cameras, and I for one don't much like it.
Interestingly, profiles for older cameras are all "cooler" (less orange biased) and more accurate - try a few exports with (say) the 5D Mk II profile and see if that matches your expectations more closely. I use the Canon 1D Mk III profile instead of the 7D/70D/7D Mk II profiles that Capture One serves up for my cameras, and much prefer it.0 -
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
Capture One profiles are not colorimetrically accurate - they're meant to be "pleasing" rather than true-to-life.
Quite a few of us have expressed problems with Capture One's pinks, reds and oranges - the current Capture One "look" clearly emphasises these colours to give the overly warm orange cast that Capture One provides in profiles for newer cameras, and I for one don't much like it.
Interestingly, profiles for older cameras are all "cooler" (less orange biased) and more accurate - try a few exports with (say) the 5D Mk II profile and see if that matches your expectations more closely. I use the Canon 1D Mk III profile instead of the 7D/70D/7D Mk II profiles that Capture One serves up for my cameras, and much prefer it.
True, a subtle yet dominant red cast is one of the problems with quite a few profiles. It is sometimes almost as if Phase one just does not have its monitors calibrated right.
Apart from that, the second version of a camera profile is usually very good. The first profile for the Sony A7r e.g. was simply totally off on some colors. I remember a shot of a lavender field in bright sunlight that looked blue instead of the subtle purple cast that lavender has. The second version profile for the A7r however is one of the best profiles I ever used.
Concerning the red cast: just learn to use the advanced color editor, and when you get the hang of it, the second version phase one profiles have enough quality to edit into really very good profiles, better than e.g. Adobe or DxO. A red cast is relatively easily corrected once you have some experience with the color editor.
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I had the red/orange cast issue with my Nikon D700/D800, it was very hard to remove properly, it gave people a fake tan look.
My Sony A7II seems to be pretty good, just a little warmer/richer than Lightroom. It's probably based on the second version of the A7 profile as they would be very similar if not the same.0 -
[quote="ChrisM" wrote:
Concerning the red cast: just learn to use the advanced color editor
Oh, I'm fully aware of the abilities of the Advanced Colour Editor, Chris - and if I was dealing a a handful of shots taken in controlled conditions in a studio, I'd consider that to be a perfectly viable solution.
But it loses its appeal big time when I've got several hundred images from a bird or rugby shoot in "all over the place" light, where I'd have to colour correct each file (usually individually - batch correction often not being an option when the light has been as varied as it often is throughout the course of a day, especially in Winter) before I can start doing any "proper" work on the files.
I suggested using another profile for a reason, Chris - life's too short to have to start what will in any event probably be a long session in Capture One, by having to fix an entire shoot's worth of images just to get them to a point they should already be at.
So - in the OS - I rename the profile I don't want to use, so that Capture One won't recognise it and call it as the default for the camera I'm using; I then copy and rename the preferred profile to the name of the "offending" profile, and the job's done - it becomes the default profile for the camera.0 -
hi:) thank you all for any suggestions. I tried to shot with Canon 1D MK III profile but result was also disappointed ☹️ I tried also to play with colour correction but in middle shadow blue was loosing nice look/quality. I am looking for quite fast solution as I have hundreds images per day:( I am a little bit crazy about this because I thought if I spend money for C1 (previously I used Lr) I will get better result:( thank you I will post any news if I will win this battle 😊 0 -
[quote="fumare" wrote:
hi:) thank you all for any suggestions. I tried to shot with Canon 1D MK III profile but result was also disappointed ☹️ I tried also to play with colour correction but in middle shadow blue was loosing nice look/quality. I am looking for quite fast solution as I have hundreds images per day:( I am a little bit crazy about this because I thought if I spend money for C1 (previously I used Lr) I will get better result:( thank you I will post any news if I will win this battle 😊
....sometimes it take time to learn that marketing claims are just what they are... 😉 if you like the signature color rendering of c1 everything is fine but if you have your own idea of color c1 is not your best friend. one of the reasons is that the selective color tool is not selective at all. even with smoothing set to zero to much hues are influenced. ( to all in the c1 defense army before you come up telling me i'm wrong shoot a colorchecker sg for exemple and do a test for yourself ! ) to make things worse the c1 profiles are already heavy tuned and you never have a kind of neutral starting point. so to my own suprise lr/acr surpasses c1 when it comes to color tuning.0
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