Moving a Catalog from One Hard Drive / Computor to another.
Hi a question I have pondered for some time
Moving a Catalog from one hard drive / Computer to another
I am using Capture Pro 12 for windows.
I import images directly into the catalog
I Export the originals to another hard drive as an image back up
Last month the hard drive on which the catalog sat died after3 months all data lost.
I have a replacement HD and created a new catalog retrieving the images from the back up and a copy of the keywords.
All the images were there and the Keyword Library imported.
The Keywords and the images did not link so I had to acquaint the images with their corresponding keywords manually.
Restore did not work as the drive was not recognised.
At the end of this year I am purchasing a 4TB hard drive and this will be the new base for the catalog and the current 2TB HD will become the backup drive.
Would cut and paste the catalog from one drive to another work?
Whilst I religiously export the images I have never exported as a catalog and I was wondering if I did, would this also work – this is particularly relevant if the HD on which the catalog sits fails or you want to transfer it to a new hard drive on another computer.
I have experience and know restore works if you lose the data, or the catalog gets corrupted when the hard drive on which it sits is in no way affected.
Basically I am trying to find a solution to restoring a catalog including keywords in the event that the hard drive fails, or you want to transfer it to another hard drive / computer without having to match up the images with their keywords manually.
Thank you for any information you can give me.
Moving a Catalog from one hard drive / Computer to another
I am using Capture Pro 12 for windows.
I import images directly into the catalog
I Export the originals to another hard drive as an image back up
Last month the hard drive on which the catalog sat died after3 months all data lost.
I have a replacement HD and created a new catalog retrieving the images from the back up and a copy of the keywords.
All the images were there and the Keyword Library imported.
The Keywords and the images did not link so I had to acquaint the images with their corresponding keywords manually.
Restore did not work as the drive was not recognised.
At the end of this year I am purchasing a 4TB hard drive and this will be the new base for the catalog and the current 2TB HD will become the backup drive.
Would cut and paste the catalog from one drive to another work?
Whilst I religiously export the images I have never exported as a catalog and I was wondering if I did, would this also work – this is particularly relevant if the HD on which the catalog sits fails or you want to transfer it to a new hard drive on another computer.
I have experience and know restore works if you lose the data, or the catalog gets corrupted when the hard drive on which it sits is in no way affected.
Basically I am trying to find a solution to restoring a catalog including keywords in the event that the hard drive fails, or you want to transfer it to another hard drive / computer without having to match up the images with their keywords manually.
Thank you for any information you can give me.
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I would like an official answer and method for this also. I am on Windows. 0 -
[quote="NNN636923793106570211" wrote:
I would like an official answer and method for this also. I am on Windows.
As much as C1 users would like to have an official Capture One support forum, there is no such thing. Get in touch with the support team for "official" answers: https://www.captureone.com/en/support
This is a user forum where C1 users try as best they can to help fellow C1 users. Don't let occasional posts from Phase One staff make you expect "official" answers here. And don't confuse posts from Certified Professionals with Phase One staff.0 -
Hi,
I am pleased that I am not the only person who is interested to find an answer.
I first asked this question in 2017 - there were no comments from within the user forum (and I fully understand that there does not have to be as the users are trying their best to help each other out and can only do this if they have an answer or experienced it for themselves)
I then went to Capture One support and they did not have an answer. They did advise on the workings of the catalog but did not actually address the issue:
"Is there any way in which a Catalog that has the images imbedded into it be backed up" in order to use
Should the hard drive on which the working model is being used dies
Should the user wish to transfer to another drive of computer?
I was wondering if any back up, could be made to work, if it was copied / cut and pasted to a new drive which would have to have the same drive letter as the original.
I know my post is in a user forum and whilst it is not official Capture One support forum I was wondering if
Anything had changed over the last two years
Out of all the people using capture pro, if anyone has ever suffered a HD failure on which their main catalog sat, or wanted to transfer the catalog to another HD and how they coped / accomplished the transfer. I think you would agree the likely hood of no one experiencing this is very slim.
I am also surprised that the software engineers have not considered this function and provide a way to accomplish it. I appreciate writing software is not straight forward and needs a lot of thought and planning but over the years Capture Pro has been going, I would have thought this problem will have arisen on enough occasions for it to be addressed.
I have had a look at the official support sections and cannot find anywhere for future requests/ developments for the team to consider.0 -
OK, I’m a little confused by the confusion... so I’m probably missing something. None the less, copying a catalog from one hard drive to another works fine. If the images are referenced i.e., in another location on the disk or another disk you would have to back them up separately and then use the locate function to reconnect them at the new location, but if the images are in the catalog all you have to do is open it. I routinely copy my working catalogs on my laptop to an SSD and then to RAID drives and have never had any problem. That said, I’m not sure copy/paste would work since on a Mac at least I believe that uses the clipboard which might not be able to handle a large catalog.
This has been part of my backup/archival solution for years. Once a year I open all the archived catalogs up and do any database updates required for new versions of C1.0 -
Hi Phil,
Thanks for replying.
I accept what you have said - but the situation I was in and still pondering is
All images are within the catalog on Drive M. Backup is by export to drive G and the original images out of the camera to an external hard drive. Copy of the Keyword Library also saved.
My drive M suddenly died no access or retrieval possible at user level. Capture Pro download and application along with the catalog are on this drive.
Hard drive replaced - installed Capture Pro and created a catalog. I then loaded all the images from the back up drive G and the keyword Library. However I then had to go through every image all (14,000) and place the keywords back to the images.
Now I may be missing something but when I did not use the catalog to store the images, yes I could use the locate function to reference them but again this I had to do one by one - either way a long drawn out process when you have a lot of images.
I have even used restore catalog with good results when things have gone wrong within the catalog but no images or the drive on which the catalog sat were lost.
On this occasion I backed the images up by exporting not only as variant and original but as a catalog. I then tested to see what would happen if I opened the catalog on the saved drive but that did not work as it asked me to import images - which I expected it to do as I assumed it was only a reference to the catalog I created on my initial drive.
I am trying to find out if every time a hard drive fails or if you want to transfer them to another drive say in a new computer, is there a better way of doing it other going through each and every image one by one and locating it, if you do not wish to load them within the catalog and then either way having to apply each and every keyword associated with them.
This is the second time I have experienced this - on this occasion because the hard drive failed and the other when I wanted to transfer the catalog from one computer to another and not wanting to move the hard drive as this was to remain in the old computer.
I did through my own fault (but to this day I do not know what I did to make it happen but I accept it was my fault.) I lost all my images. I loaded them back into the catalog from a remote back up source and all the keywords and images joined as if nothing had happened. I was lucky, but put it down to the fact that it was only the images that were lost, not the actual catalog or the hard drive on which the catalog was created.
Hope this makes it a little clearer
I am sorry this rather long winded but to date I have had a lot of information as to how to recreate the catalog on to a new hard drive due to loss of original hard drive or because the original hard drive is no long available but it always amounts to locating each image separately, or importing each and every image and either way one by one locating and ascribing the keyword / keywords to it. A very log drawn out process. On this occasion it has taken me 3 weeks to accomplish. Surely there should be a better way where by all the images and data can be restored providing backups were created via the lost / destroyed / old catalog.0 -
OK, when I set up a referenced catalog I have
Capture One catalog on SSD “aâ€
Copy of the catalog on HD (whatever)
Images on RAID 1 under C1 Images
If SSD “a†melts I replace it and move the copy on HD to the new SSD. when I open the catalog it will look in the right place for the images.
Let’s say the SSD is back ordered and I want to run off the HD. Then I may have to locate the files, but since the catalog is an image of the original it knows how the files are laid out under C1 Images, it just can’t find the directory. I use locate on the C1 Images level and it grinds through and reconnects to everything in the directory - I don’t have to locate each file.
If you create a new catalog instead of using a copy of the old one you have to reimport everything and you lose any edits you’ve done, so to me that’s kind of a last resort.
In the real world I run a new catalog each month (images in the catalog for performance), and a master catalog both on my SSD. The master catalog images are on 4TB drive I can carry around when I travel.
Each month I archive a copy of the catalog on network storage, I then pull the images from the catalog and put them on the image drive and import the monthly catalog to the master.
I then create a duplicate of the master catalog and image directory on RAID. (Actually I update the RAID copies as well since copying everything would get really tedious.)0 -
Hi Phil,
Thank you very much for your reply and clear information as to how you go about saving etc.
I hope it is OK with you - I will print out your reply and work my way through it within my set up.
I will get back to you as regards how I get on - but that may not be until August as I am away on holiday this month as well as having been given lots of work to do by my better half. (That's what happens when you have been married 45yrs, they start taking advantages - not that I would change anything or her).
Once again many thanks for your support and advice.0 -
Hi Phil,
I said I would get back to you.
Thank you very much, due to your detailed advice I was able to replicate my catalog very easily.
Over the past two days I have followed your advice and have on four occasions successfully created a working copy of my current catalog on a different computer.
The reason for four, was because after each one, I deleted both the capture pro software and the copied catalog and started from scratch, to test if what I was doing was correct and could be replicated.
This was not in any way to do with your advice, it was solely to check that I was following the same procedure and that it was the correct procedure. I find if you are not careful it becomes very easy to slightly change your sequence of events, without realizing it and / or noting it, so causing problems when trying to replicate.
Interestingly since our last set of posts I have had a number of private enquires about the same issue. It appears that concerns as to how to recreate a catalog on a new HD and especially on a new computer is more wide spread than I thought.0
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