Leica M262 Support
I was hoping the Leica M262 would be a supported camera under version 10. Looks like I will be continuing to use Lightroom as I'm not prepared to pay to upgrade from version 9.
Using the M240 ICC profile gives you very unrealistic colours.
Does anyone else use C1 with the Leica M262?
Thanks.
Using the M240 ICC profile gives you very unrealistic colours.
Does anyone else use C1 with the Leica M262?
Thanks.
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Thought they use exact the same sensors 0 -
I believe there is a difference.
Leica have said the sensor is "technologically different" from that of the M (Typ 240) according to LFI magazine (LFI 1/2016, Page 47), quoting product manager Jesko von Oeynhausen.
M240 RAW files look great in C1 using the correct ICC profile, I no longer have the M240. The M262 files look terrible (over saturated) using the M240 ICC profile. The ICC profile Adobe Neutral is a workaround but I have now gone back to using Lightroom 6 for the M262.
I have put in a feature / support request with C1 approx 6 months ago and was hoping it would appear in the next major release...I even offered to lend them my M262 to build a profile but never heard back.0 -
I am using the M typ 262 successfully with CO9 (and CO10). At the start I had the same problem...
The "trick" is to set the colour profile to "DNG File Neutral". This can be found in the "Base Characteristics" tab. With this, the colour looks the same as in Lightroom 6 - probably because it is also using the profile from the DNG file.
I also set the curve to "Film High Contrast", although that is more a matter of taste.
You can save both of these settings as the default for newly imported DNG files. I currently use two cameras which produce DNGs natively - the 262 and a Ricoh GR. Both work fine sharing the same default colour settings.0 -
Thanks Mark. Using "DNG File Neutral" is a very good idea, instead of the one provided by C1 for the M240. I will have a try, just to have a look at the result. 0 -
Thanks Mark.
I did mention in my earlier post I have tried setting the ICC Profile to Adobe - "DNG File Neutral". I wasn't very pleased with the result. However, I haven't tried setting the curve to "Film High Contrast" this is a good idea, I will try this later.
Thanks for the tip.
I'm using a calibrated Eizo screen so should hopefully see an improvement.
I realise colour is very subjective and what you mention is a very good starting point for newly imported DNG files. Do you still find the need to make any other changes under the colour tab?
I was recently on a one day C1 9 course. The tutor was David Grover (excellent tutor) ICC profiles were mentioned and I was amazed at how much work is put into producing these individual ICC colour profiles for each camera. I think this is why I would really like to see C1 support the M262.
Have you ever put in a support request with C1 for the M262? Hopefully if there is enough demand it will get supported.
Thanks for the help...
Desperate to get back to C1 and away from Lightroom.0 -
Well, with the DNG profile, the colour output is for all practical purposes identical between CO and Lightroom, so the "problem" is with the colour profile in the DNG rather than the software.
That said, I also was really unhappy with the M 262 colour when I first started shooting it, and I also tried numerous calibration options. None were better than the DNG profile. However, after some time I think that I have become used to the colours and now am quite happy with files that previously I thought problematic (I had a similar reaction with the Canon 5DII to 5DIII transition...).
With daylight, I get good results. Artificial lighting is more problematic, and I have yet to get anything that I would consider "good colour" even with a fair bit of tweaking using the colour editor. I usually shoot street with the M 262, where lighting is uncontrolled and ISO high - so this is probably just about the worst case scenario for colour. FWIW, I leave the camera permanently set to Daylight WB (not auto) regardless of subject - I do not know if the WB setting in the camera affects the DNG colour profile as well as the temperature/tint.
I have not yet tried making a custom profile with X-rite for the M 262. Past experience of trying this was just incredibly painful and gave worse results than just sticking with the defaults and grey-card adjustment for WB. I would be interested in a good tutorial about how to create and use a custom ICC profile with Capture One...0 -
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I was hoping the Leica M262 would be a supported camera under version 10. Looks like I will be continuing to use Lightroom as I'm not prepared to pay to upgrade from version 9.
Using the M240 ICC profile gives you very unrealistic colours.
Does anyone else use C1 with the Leica M262?
Thanks.
I have a pair of M262s and was disappointed to see Pro 10 not support the camera.0 -
Have you put in a requested support case for the camera?
Hopefully if enough people put in a request for the camera to be supported it may be in a later revision.
I see on a Leica forum a push to try and get the M246 supported too. The original Monochrom is supported.0 -
[quote="NN635937406568427633UL" wrote:
I was hoping the Leica M262 would be a supported camera under version 10. Looks like I will be continuing to use Lightroom as I'm not prepared to pay to upgrade from version 9.
Using the M240 ICC profile gives you very unrealistic colours.
Does anyone else use C1 with the Leica M262?
Thanks.
I have a pair of M262s and was disappointed to see Pro 10 not support the camera, as I previously filed a tech support request a long time ago.0
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