4.7 new whizzy software -- Or is it?
I see yet another update has arrived with some tethered support in the PRO application for some more 35mm cameras.
Some improvement to the P65+ and the ability to process jpegs.
What is the latter about? Try as hard as I can, I just can't get my 45+ to shoot in jpeg.
It seems to me Phase One have a few problems here deciding whether they make digital backs, that are bought by professional photographers to obtain the highest quality images possible, to be processed through the propriety software or, are they attempting to become 'New Labour' (The incompetents in charge of governing the UK) and be all things to all men. The only reason I see for using C1/4 as some chemistry is for the LCC's. Strangely enough I, and I suspect many other back owners worldwide, use the back on a plate camera - so adding jpeg or Coolpix processing isn't really a valid improvement.
If Capture 4.xx needs to be updated as often as it has been since being released as the PRO version at Photokina last year, even the most myopic programmer could see something ain't right.
Likewise with the 'new improvements' to 65+ processing.
A couple of questions then:
Are you saying the 65+ is not quite right and all previous P backs are perfect?
Or, are you angling to get every Phase One back owner to update to a 65+ asap as you you wish to quietly drop all previous backs and future feature support for them?
By the way, does this new release fix all known bugs currently residing in 4.6.x???
Whilst on adding jpeg handling, any chance of my being able to shoot tethered with a Lubitel 😊
Some improvement to the P65+ and the ability to process jpegs.
What is the latter about? Try as hard as I can, I just can't get my 45+ to shoot in jpeg.
It seems to me Phase One have a few problems here deciding whether they make digital backs, that are bought by professional photographers to obtain the highest quality images possible, to be processed through the propriety software or, are they attempting to become 'New Labour' (The incompetents in charge of governing the UK) and be all things to all men. The only reason I see for using C1/4 as some chemistry is for the LCC's. Strangely enough I, and I suspect many other back owners worldwide, use the back on a plate camera - so adding jpeg or Coolpix processing isn't really a valid improvement.
If Capture 4.xx needs to be updated as often as it has been since being released as the PRO version at Photokina last year, even the most myopic programmer could see something ain't right.
Likewise with the 'new improvements' to 65+ processing.
A couple of questions then:
Are you saying the 65+ is not quite right and all previous P backs are perfect?
Or, are you angling to get every Phase One back owner to update to a 65+ asap as you you wish to quietly drop all previous backs and future feature support for them?
By the way, does this new release fix all known bugs currently residing in 4.6.x???
Whilst on adding jpeg handling, any chance of my being able to shoot tethered with a Lubitel 😊
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[quote="David" wrote:
But there are a lot of pros shooting Canon or Nikon tethered. For those pros the ability to adjust the JPGs straight from the camera might be a good feature.
Try as hard as I can, I just can't get my 45+ to shoot in jpeg.
It seems to me Phase One have a few problems here deciding whether they make digital backs, that are bought by professional photographers to obtain the highest quality images possible ...Are you saying the 65+ is not quite right and all previous P backs are perfect?
What's wrong with the presets of the P45+ in C1? When the older backs came out there were updates/upgrades firm- and software wise, too. No?
For the users of older backs the new features in V4.7 are adjustments with arrow keys and the "eip" format.0 -
[quote="thomas" wrote:
What's wrong with the presets of the P45+ in C1?
But there are a lot of pros shooting Canon or Nikon tethered. For those pros the ability to adjust the JPGs straight from the camera might be a good feature.
I'm sure there are. However, having invested the equivalent cost of 10 or so 35mm DSLRs (in one purchase) on a digital back that necessitates using CaptureOne to process the files from it under certain circumstances - there is no other option that I know of - I really do feel that P1 have a duty to get the chemistry 110% right before adding some superfluous tweak to satisfy third party camera owners. They, the 3rd parties, can use the software that came with the camera if they need instant gratification. As far as I'm aware you can't process a Canon file through Nikon, or vice versa. Neither is there a reciprocal agreement allowing P1 back owners to process their files on whatever Nikon/Canon supply as software. Probably with good reason. They've developed the software for their cameras & their cameras only. Whether you like it or not, I guess is up to the individual camera owner.
Nothing.
When the older backs came out there were updates/upgrades firm- and software wise, too. No?
Possibly. It still begs the question, what are P1 (or indeed any other software manufacturer doing come to that) putting out a professional bit of kit that needs an update (fix) every 5 minutes? If it's that flawed it shouldn't have escaped the factory gates in the first place. Let alone expect the customer to pay for it.
If you'd bought a car, be it a Tata, Nissan, Porsche, BMW or Ferrari that was recalled to the dealer with the monotonous regularity this software has been updated, but without previous faults corrected, I guess you'd be a bit hacked off. A 'computer/software glitsch' isn't exactly life threatening in the same way a wheel coming off your car is. However, we are reliant on the tools of our trade functioning as expected whether you're a lathe operator, street sweeper, plumber or photographer. Unfortunately, anything to do with to do with digital/computer anything now ignores this principle. Who gives a ! - you're not going to die. After all, we've made our money flogging you a CD with the application on it......... onwards to the next update.0 -
[quote="thomas" wrote:
But there are a lot of pros shooting Canon or Nikon tethered. For those pros the ability to adjust the JPGs straight from the camera might be a good feature.
Surely any professional shooting with serious correction in mind would be shooting RAW anyway. It's clearly a feature to increase marketability, which is fair enough -- I'm sure Phase would like to sell more copies -- just not at the expense of urgently needed fixes and missing pro features.
It seems like Phase are assuming that their professional users will stay loyal, no matter how badly treated. From my particular perspective .eip is a nice feature, but if I'd been able to choose between that or the ability to work over an AFP network share (as I can in v3) I'd really rather they'd waited.
The fact is, the previously high opinion held of C1Pro in my professional circle has dropped badly in the last year. It used to be the tool of choice without question; I now know a scary number people who would drop it in a heartbeat if a better alternative came along. I hope it doesn't come to that.0 -
Just to be clear, the ability to edit JPEG and TIFF has always been present in Capture One, it was just previously disabled. The amount of development that went into enabling this feature was almost none.
Every new back release has been followed by a few levels of improvements in Capture One. the 65+ is a very new architecture for us and due to the nature os sensor plus it is performing more image construction calculation then any other back on the market. It is only natural that we will continue find new ways to fine tune and improve quality. The more we learn about it the better quality we can deliver.0 -
[quote="Ben" wrote:
The fact is, the previously high opinion held of C1Pro in my professional circle has dropped badly in the last year. It used to be the tool of choice without question; I now know a scary number people who would drop it in a heartbeat if a better alternative came along. I hope it doesn't come to that.
It seems like all do have that opinion but a view. All but phase one unfortunatly.
I am so tired of that "in the pipeline" bla bla actually. Sorry - but i am just honest. Nothing really worthwhile was implemented again in 4.7 aside from 3dx and 5dm2 tethered support. Version 4 is out now a year i believe. Und the majority of the people in my surrounding are searching for an alternative.0 -
[quote="Jon" wrote:
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"The more we learn about it the better quality we can deliver.
So what you're saying is, I give Phase One $40k odd, or whatever the p65 costs, to enable you guys to learn about its faults?
This is presumably the same 'looking through the wrong end of the telescope' view that has led to so much discontent around the world on this forum for C4. I didn't buy a p45, Linhof 679cs plus lenses plus various other bits to go with it, a set of H primes etc and Capture PRO to be able to look at jpegs. If I want to do that I'm sure photoshop elements or similar (free with most $20 scanners) would work just fine and dandy.
I really am amazed at the arrogance of Phase One with this software. You should have timed the launch for April 1 - it would have been more appropriate.0 -
[quote="David" wrote:
True. But that is a different question. The lack of features and solidity of V4 has nothing to do with incremental improvements of the P65+ support in V4. Every camera maker improves firmware/software after the release of the cameras. But basically they have to work right from the first release, I'm right there with you.[quote="thomas" wrote:
Possibly. It still begs the question, what are P1 (or indeed any other software manufacturer doing come to that) putting out a professional bit of kit that needs an update (fix) every 5 minutes?
When the older backs came out there were updates/upgrades firm- and software wise, too. No?
Maybe the problem is not that V4 is that bad (since 4.6) ... it's maybe more the problem that V3 was so unbeatable good... and that one have to establish a new workflow.
I've been using V3 and V4 side by side the last month. V3 for the view camera and V4 for the Contax (as the lens corrections in V4 are very usefull).
But in the end that does not sum up very good when it comes to back up and archive. As 4.6 and 4.7 runs pretty fast and stable on my machines I move to V4 now. Though I still prefer the much better responsiveness of V3, the light fast previews and though I still miss features (tools and usability) in V4.0
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