Export-Naming: Token for Keywords???
Hi all,
the Export functions and especially the Naming Option using Tokens.
Unfortunately I can´t find a Toke for the Keywords... Am I just blind or is this Token missing?
Using C1P 10.2
kind regards Manuel
the Export functions and especially the Naming Option using Tokens.
Unfortunately I can´t find a Toke for the Keywords... Am I just blind or is this Token missing?
Using C1P 10.2
kind regards Manuel
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How many keywords would you want to add to the file name on export and, if not all of them, how would you select which ones you wanted to include? 0 -
I see usefulness in this.
Maybe using IPTC content "category", this seems to work but you can only assign 1 category per image0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
How many keywords would you want to add to the file name on export and, if not all of them, how would you select which ones you wanted to include?
This is actually a very good question since this may differ from person to person / project to project.
In my case I have Keywords like this:
- People
- Animals
- Lion (<- child keyword)
- Zebra
- Elefant
- Architecture
- Outdoor
- Indoor
- Various
For the Export the foldes should look like this:
- Animals / Lion
- Animals / Zebra
- Animals / Elefant
- Architecture / Outdoor
...
If I have an set several Keywords to one file I would like to have a copy in every folder. Let´s say I have an Image (Img001) with an Elefant and a Zebra and I gave the image both keywords. The result should look like this.
- Animals / Zebra / Img001.jpg
- Animals / Elefant / Img001.jpg
what do you think?0 -
If img001.jpg is processed from an earier file that contains the keywords ANIMAL ZEBRA ELEFANT and so already contain those keywords (or you add them later if needs change), then is can be found using any or a combination of those words in a search term.
For example when using Windows if you index a folder of jpg files and text, such as keywords, in the files will be indexed making them rapidly found when searching.
If you have the images, originals or outputs, in a Capture One Catalog a search using the keywords (and possibly other attributes to expand or constrain the search) can be used to find the images you want.
There is no need to have multiple versions of an image UNLESS you have processed it differently for output. If you are likely to do that - for example have version of the image that contain both Zebra and Elefant, one that does not have Elefant and another that does not have Zebra you might want to look at the potential for making use of VARIANTS since variants of the same source image can, in C1, have different IPTC data and Keywords applied. However I still don't see an easy way to create a generic file or folder naming process based on Keyword tokens.
Setting up the process to name and distribute the images as they are processed (where there are truly different variants of an image) is likely to be much more productive and controllable.
HTH.
Grant0 -
There is no need to have multiple versions of an image.
-> unless it speeds up my further process.
Lets say I want do give all images with Zebra-Keyword to Mrs. Zebra and all images with Elefant-Keyword to Mr. Elefant then C1P would create me the folders and I just have to grab / zip them and send them.
Whoever I get your point that working with keywords as token might leave a lot of different interpretation on how the output should be.
For me I found a solution by using "smart albums". I just created a smart album for the Keywords and voila I have all Images with Zebra-Token in one Album and also by exporting using the album-token in the corresponding folder. 😊0 -
[quote="Mnl" wrote:
Hi all,
the Export functions and especially the Naming Option using Tokens.
Unfortunately I can´t find a Toke for the Keywords... Am I just blind or is this Token missing?
Using C1P 10.2
kind regards Manuel
Consider this an addition to Manuel question:
While Lightroom has an option in the Export menu so that the file name of each exported photo is a string of the keywords of that photo, I couldn't find such option in the Export Naming/Format field of C1.
Is there any way to setup this?
It's important to say that that Lightroom feature is not perfect as the keywords are sorted in alphabetical order on the file name and there is no option to change this. Those photographers who work for agencies surely understand what I mean.0 -
[quote="NN635468527675994266UL" wrote:
[quote="Mnl" wrote:
Hi all,
the Export functions and especially the Naming Option using Tokens.
Unfortunately I can´t find a Toke for the Keywords... Am I just blind or is this Token missing?
Using C1P 10.2
kind regards Manuel
Consider this an addition to Manuel question:
While Lightroom has an option in the Export menu so that the file name of each exported photo is a string of the keywords of that photo, I couldn't find such option in the Export Naming/Format field of C1.
Is there any way to setup this?
It's important to say that that Lightroom feature is not perfect as the keywords are sorted in alphabetical order on the file name and there is no option to change this. Those photographers who work for agencies surely understand what I mean.
What rules would you apply for sorting the keywords into a different order? Or maybe filtering the keywords.
What would be the benefit over using an available IPTC field with the required information inserted into it?
Grant0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
[quote="NN635468527675994266UL" wrote:
[quote="Mnl" wrote:
Hi all,
the Export functions and especially the Naming Option using Tokens.
Unfortunately I can´t find a Toke for the Keywords... Am I just blind or is this Token missing?
Using C1P 10.2
kind regards Manuel
Consider this an addition to Manuel question:
While Lightroom has an option in the Export menu so that the file name of each exported photo is a string of the keywords of that photo, I couldn't find such option in the Export Naming/Format field of C1.
Is there any way to setup this?
It's important to say that that Lightroom feature is not perfect as the keywords are sorted in alphabetical order on the file name and there is no option to change this. Those photographers who work for agencies surely understand what I mean.
What rules would you apply for sorting the keywords into a different order? Or maybe filtering the keywords.
What would be the benefit over using an available IPTC field with the required information inserted into it?
Grant
When photographers take pictures of people, ie: openings, concerts, birthdays etc, for later submitting them to agencies, those agencies expect that the file name of each photo be the names of the people, not in alphabetical order but in the left to right order they appear in the photo. They do not want to right-click over the photo or use any app to read the IPTC field, just by the file name get the name of the people photographed.
As I said before, Lightroom is half way to this, the problem is that after exporting names don't show in the order you write in the keyword section but are sorted alphabetically and the program has no option to change this.
On a photo where John appears in the far left with Anne in the middle and Peter in the far right, agencies expect the file name to be: John,Anne,Peter.jpg but Lightroom, in spite of names were typed in that order as keywords, names the file as Anne,John,Peter.jpg
So, those photographers have to manually rename each photo's file name accordingly after exporting them and before uploading the photos to the agencies clouds.
C1 having a token for this option in the export section should certainly be a great time saver for us and be very welcome indeed!0 -
Yes, but that, surely, is exactly why the IPTC data fields were specified. So that you can provide a caption that is specific to whatever aspect of the image or the agency needs to be delivered.
I can't think of any good reason for a Keyword system to have to hold an "order of entry" on a per image basis. Or worse if as part of the editing for certain needs a person or object or whatever is cropped out of the image.
If you are going to go to that trouble you may as well put the names, in order of appearance, into the "Description" field in the IPTC data (or some other field that suits the purpose and for which C1 already offers a token that can be used in file naming.
(Even better might be some face recognition program that does the work for you - but that might be going a step further than is possible right now.)
All of that said you might well find some corporate DAM software out there that does all that you want. Depending on its target market it may or may not appear to be affordable. I suspect is will aimed at large photo library and agency operations where a team of backroom staff are employed to create all of the text based information associated with the image.0
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