A few problems/ideas/stability issues
Hey,
I try to switch to C1. I even bought it even though I couldn't get everything right. Worked my way through learning curve and am starting to like/love it BUT:
1. Stability.
Working on 40-80MB RAWs - after 2h things are starting to happen. Like "magical" keys are pushed - drawing a mask and suddenly I have straight line throughout the whole pic. And from now on I'll have this until I restart C1. I'm using Wacom Intuos - never had this kind of problems in Lightroom.
Or after a few hours trying to export a few pics and there are errors "cannot" this "cannot that" and so on. Last time it crashed explorer! Which I don't remember happening at all on my laptop - I'm professional sound engineer too so my laptop is crash/hang free. C1 is the forst software that managed to reset my working space and crash explorer. There are way too many variables here to search for a bug sadly...
2. Consistency / WYSIWYG
The best thing to have in an ergonomic environment is workflow based on WYSIWYG and consistency - please make C1 compatible with this idea. Examples like: double clicking on a miniature pic should give me a pic in a viewer - right? That's logical - but it's not happening all the time - it depends where are you, why are you there and so on and so on. Or - I'm in the browser - trying to select all the files with ctrl+A - but it won't select them - it will open browser in the middle - CONSISTENCY - the most important thing in a workflow! things should be done EXACTLY the same way, with the same shortcuts etc along the whole software. These are not hard to implement - they just need to be thoroughly review. Ctrl+A means select all - no matter if you are choosing a pic, option, button or anything. Double click means "run" or "enter" - and it should work that way no matter what you're clicking.
3. Preferences / Shortcut Finder
Finding a shortcut or option or anything in the menus is sometimes veeery time consuming. A simple finder would make a HUGE difference in either working professionally and learning.
4. This is more of a suggestion - I LOVE your color balance tool! Don;t change this 😊 But is there would be another tool like Split Toning in lightroom (with more intense layer of colour) - it would be great. There is Split Tone Tool - but it works only in B&W mode :<
5. "View selected colour" - If you use color editor in layers then things starting to happen. Inconsistency in showing what colors are selected. Eg I selected sky on main tools (not layers!) and want to see what is in a colour selection - most of the pic goes BW BUT not all - skin tones are still colored, some other colors too. And that's because the layer is still selected in layers tool. So I have to remember to select background. I think this is just a bug (cuz I cannot imagine scenario where this is not a bug 😉 ). I think no matter what layer are you in - or not in layers but main tools - if you choose "view selected colors" you should see selected colors from THIS tool. And if you are in a layer tool - view selecte color in selected layer should show you only this color and only on this layer (now it shows selected color on whole pic - even though I'm using color editor on layer)
6. Presets for brushes! Working on many photos making similar adjustments - this eats A LOT! of my time and kills pleasure a bit...
7. VERY IMPORTANT - UNDO working on everything! Sometimes you just press something totally my mistake - like change window, import something, copy or delete - having this ability is crucial. What would be fantastic as a addition - UNDO history! E.g. I pressed "delete" by a mistake and my 2 hour work on a pic PUFF went away. I couldn't find it in "trash", it was deleted. I wanted to import it once more but C1 didn't want me to - it didn't show (like it knew it was in a collection so it hid it) - had to change the name and start all over. No matter if I did something wrong or not - having ctrl+z on everything would solve the problem. And maaaaaaaaaaannnyyyy others.
And this is all for now, I think. I love the quality I get from it. I get definitely more natural feel to my photos. But things I wrote above are making me scream and swear... I am persistent and I must say - I see myself transferring entirely to C1, even starting to fall in love - but as I never screamed once using Lightroom - I did it couple of times in past few days with C1 😉
I try to switch to C1. I even bought it even though I couldn't get everything right. Worked my way through learning curve and am starting to like/love it BUT:
1. Stability.
Working on 40-80MB RAWs - after 2h things are starting to happen. Like "magical" keys are pushed - drawing a mask and suddenly I have straight line throughout the whole pic. And from now on I'll have this until I restart C1. I'm using Wacom Intuos - never had this kind of problems in Lightroom.
Or after a few hours trying to export a few pics and there are errors "cannot" this "cannot that" and so on. Last time it crashed explorer! Which I don't remember happening at all on my laptop - I'm professional sound engineer too so my laptop is crash/hang free. C1 is the forst software that managed to reset my working space and crash explorer. There are way too many variables here to search for a bug sadly...
2. Consistency / WYSIWYG
The best thing to have in an ergonomic environment is workflow based on WYSIWYG and consistency - please make C1 compatible with this idea. Examples like: double clicking on a miniature pic should give me a pic in a viewer - right? That's logical - but it's not happening all the time - it depends where are you, why are you there and so on and so on. Or - I'm in the browser - trying to select all the files with ctrl+A - but it won't select them - it will open browser in the middle - CONSISTENCY - the most important thing in a workflow! things should be done EXACTLY the same way, with the same shortcuts etc along the whole software. These are not hard to implement - they just need to be thoroughly review. Ctrl+A means select all - no matter if you are choosing a pic, option, button or anything. Double click means "run" or "enter" - and it should work that way no matter what you're clicking.
3. Preferences / Shortcut Finder
Finding a shortcut or option or anything in the menus is sometimes veeery time consuming. A simple finder would make a HUGE difference in either working professionally and learning.
4. This is more of a suggestion - I LOVE your color balance tool! Don;t change this 😊 But is there would be another tool like Split Toning in lightroom (with more intense layer of colour) - it would be great. There is Split Tone Tool - but it works only in B&W mode :<
5. "View selected colour" - If you use color editor in layers then things starting to happen. Inconsistency in showing what colors are selected. Eg I selected sky on main tools (not layers!) and want to see what is in a colour selection - most of the pic goes BW BUT not all - skin tones are still colored, some other colors too. And that's because the layer is still selected in layers tool. So I have to remember to select background. I think this is just a bug (cuz I cannot imagine scenario where this is not a bug 😉 ). I think no matter what layer are you in - or not in layers but main tools - if you choose "view selected colors" you should see selected colors from THIS tool. And if you are in a layer tool - view selecte color in selected layer should show you only this color and only on this layer (now it shows selected color on whole pic - even though I'm using color editor on layer)
6. Presets for brushes! Working on many photos making similar adjustments - this eats A LOT! of my time and kills pleasure a bit...
7. VERY IMPORTANT - UNDO working on everything! Sometimes you just press something totally my mistake - like change window, import something, copy or delete - having this ability is crucial. What would be fantastic as a addition - UNDO history! E.g. I pressed "delete" by a mistake and my 2 hour work on a pic PUFF went away. I couldn't find it in "trash", it was deleted. I wanted to import it once more but C1 didn't want me to - it didn't show (like it knew it was in a collection so it hid it) - had to change the name and start all over. No matter if I did something wrong or not - having ctrl+z on everything would solve the problem. And maaaaaaaaaaannnyyyy others.
And this is all for now, I think. I love the quality I get from it. I get definitely more natural feel to my photos. But things I wrote above are making me scream and swear... I am persistent and I must say - I see myself transferring entirely to C1, even starting to fall in love - but as I never screamed once using Lightroom - I did it couple of times in past few days with C1 😉
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I think you may have to spend a little more time getting used to C1 and discovering some of the very many ways you can make it your own.
For undo CTRL-Z, will, in my experience, step back through your recent actions.
Remember also that you can re-define hot keys to your preference and that in many cases they are direct and NOT context sensitive.
If you have applied a "Style" the undo may require the undoing of several changes. So step back through.
Personally when working with a system with a changes History I have very rarely been convinced of its usefulness. However that is a discussion that come up in the forum at least once a month.
Even the single click/double click "standard" is not a standard in WIndows. Behaviour can be changed through user preferences.
If you wish to put forward suggestions to the Phase Development Management team (or add you interest to suggestions that might already have been made by creating your own suggestion) your best option is to create a Support Case with "Enhancement Request:" in the title and then describe what you foresee as being useful.
Sometimes you might get a response that indicates that your requirement can already be met. If not the idea will be forwarded to the development assessment team.
Whatever the result the Support Case system is what Phase tell us they use to measure and assess the levels of interest in everything that might be related to the hardware and software so it makes sense to avail ourselves of the use of it.
By the way, using Win 7 I had a period of time when Windows Explorer would reguallrly just fail for no good reason although it always recovered by itself. Somewhere along the line a Windows update seemed to fix the problem.
The only application that now causes regular problems is Firefox. That too will usually recover quite well - unless I inadvertently committed to an Adobe plug-in update before the crash an have not yet restarted, in which case Adobe automatically opens FF and so usually kills the opportunity of recovering the previous session.
HTH.
Grant0 -
Yeah, I will because I really like output I get out of it!
About undo - I'm using undo extensively> What I meant is I should be able to undo everything - not only image manipulation per se, but all other changes, even in browser etc
Thanks for suggestions about suggestions! I'm starting to get a grip of the workflow, so I'll make my observations and probably contact support 😊0 -
CTRL-Z, for me, also makes changes in the browser - assuming we are looking at moving around and selecting images - but I really don't think that is an effective way to work for more than a few steps back - 3 or 4 I would suggest.
It really depends what you have been doing before attempting to step back.
And personally I have never found long "History" lists very useful either. They might possibly be ok if they where visual - by thumbnail for example? - bu the process and memory overhead may compromise the way that something like C1 works.
Personally I find that having a fixed reference point to go back to - set at what ever frequency you think might be necessary for your needs, works for me. In C1 its relatively quick to do using a variant edit. Another product I use, since before I got into C1, had the same capability but it was not quite as readily available. However, it still worked well.
Grant0 -
[quote="NN636073061407953440UL" wrote:
...No matter if I did something wrong or not - having ctrl+z on everything would solve the problem.
Everything, no less! I'm all for Ctrl+Z to cancel printing, pull the paper back, remove all ink and return paper to tray/roll and ink to cartridges 😊0 -
"4. This is more of a suggestion - I LOVE your color balance tool! Don;t change this 😊 But is there would be another tool like Split Toning in lightroom (with more intense layer of colour) - it would be great. There is Split Tone Tool - but it works only in B&W mode :<"
Split Toning:
I do this with Tones.
In Capture One these are not fixed as in Photoshop or Lightroom, they are free of use, you can also invert them to develope Film Color Negatives.
Tones are one of the most flexible tools in Capture One, but most People dont know because they need sliders with Names of Functions on it, with capture one you can do things no other Software like it can do.
The only thing you need is Creativity.0
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