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Adjustment to HDR (shadow) setting

Scarlett Freund
How do I use adjustments with HDR settings? I tried but only exposure settings seem to be available. I can't figure this out.

Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Can you explain what you mean with "only exposure settings seem to be available". Are you using CO Pro or CO DB (Capture One menu > About)? What (raw) files are you using?
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  • Scarlett Freund
    I guess I didn't explain myself well. I'm using Capture Pro 7.0.1.

    When I click on the Local Adjustment icon on the left, I get Exposure options -- Exposure, Contrast, Brightness, Saturation -- plus Sharpening, Clarity, Moire and Color Editor options. But the HDR options of Shadow and Structure are not available on this screen. When I go to the HDR screen, the Adjustment Layer disappears and whatever change I make to Shadows gets applied to the entire image. I want to be able to apply a Shadow/Structure change to just one corner of the image.

    Is this doable? If so, how? What am I missing? Thanks.

    Also, I'm looking for a global Before/After or Preview setting so I can click back and forth and see how my adjustments compare to the original image. I know one can do this for incremental changes but that's not enough. I find that one really needs a global preview option. Is such a thing available? How?

    Many thanks in advance!
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  • Ario
    May be I am misunderstanding your question but to my knowledge the HDR tool (Shadows/Highlight) is not supported under Local Adjustments, while Structure, which is part of the Clarity tool, is indeed supported under Local Adjustments.
    The tools actually supported under Local Adjustment are only: Exposure, Color Editor, Sharpening, Moire and Clarity.
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  • SFA
    [quote="NN634916866071076116UL" wrote:

    Also, I'm looking for a global Before/After or Preview setting so I can click back and forth and see how my adjustments compare to the original image. I know one can do this for incremental changes but that's not enough. I find that one really needs a global preview option. Is such a thing available? How?

    Many thanks in advance!



    For a before and after option with various ways to view things, create a variant and edit that, retaining the original unchanged. (Or you can create an original variant or a copy of an edited variant any time you like.

    You can then select both and place then into the viewer area at the same time for side by side comparison or show only a single version at any tiome and use the "Select Next" and "Select Previous" feature (Horizontal arrows on the tool bar or just the keyboard arrow keys should work) to switch between the two (or indeed more than two) variants.


    There is anther option related to clearing all edits using RESET and then undoing the reset with with a REDO but personally I would be nervous about that since it could be a little too easy accidentally dump all changes (imho). My fear may be ungrounded.

    There was another post yesterday that covered the same subject and offered a third option but I can't recall what that was just now.

    HTH


    Grant Perkins
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  • Ario
    The third option as suggested by Paul Steunebrink yesterday in an other post:
    "Another workaround is that you perform a reset per tool with the curved arrow icon on the tool's header. When you use this icon while holding the Alt-key, it restores the adjustment(s) for that tool automatically and instantly after you release the mouse button."
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  • SFA
    [quote="Ario" wrote:
    The third option as suggested by Paul Steunebrink yesterday in an other post:
    "Another workaround is that you perform a reset per tool with the curved arrow icon on the tool's header. When you use this icon while holding the Alt-key, it restores the adjustment(s) for that tool automatically and instantly after you release the mouse button."



    Thank you Ario, I remember now.

    That is something I use a lot - but of course it's for a single tool. On the other hand if the applied adjustment to the image is for only a single tool it would be the perfect answer! 😊


    Grant Perkins
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Interesting conversation.

    If I may add, the local adjustments tool adds another before/after option. You can check/uncheck a layer.
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  • SFA
    [quote="Paul_Steunebrink" wrote:
    Interesting conversation.

    If I may add, the local adjustments tool adds another before/after option. You can check/uncheck a layer.



    I had considered adding that layer of complexity Paul, but decided against it at the time.

    However, now you have introduced it ...
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  • Scarlett Freund
    [quote="Ario" wrote:
    May be I am misunderstanding your question but to my knowledge the HDR tool (Shadows/Highlight) is not supported under Local Adjustments, while Structure, which is part of the Clarity tool, is indeed supported under Local Adjustments.
    The tools actually supported under Local Adjustment are only: Exposure, Color Editor, Sharpening, Moire and Clarity.


    Thanks. I meant Highlight and Shadow in HDR tool. I would like to suggest that you add that to Local Adjustments. It's a grea tool but often need only locally.

    But great tip on turning layer on and off for local adjustment preview.
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  • SFA
    [quote="NN634916866071076116UL" wrote:
    [quote="Ario" wrote:
    May be I am misunderstanding your question but to my knowledge the HDR tool (Shadows/Highlight) is not supported under Local Adjustments, while Structure, which is part of the Clarity tool, is indeed supported under Local Adjustments.
    The tools actually supported under Local Adjustment are only: Exposure, Color Editor, Sharpening, Moire and Clarity.


    Thanks. I meant Highlight and Shadow in HDR tool. I would like to suggest that you add that to Local Adjustments. It's a grea tool but often need only locally.

    But great tip on turning layer on and off for local adjustment preview.



    Would I be wrong to think that the HDR tool is, basically, providing a controlled and balanced use of other basic tools within the C1 toolset with most of the important ones for this purpose being available already individually to the local adjustments user?

    I have to ask since I don't currently have a 64 bit system on which to load V7 but based on my understanding of the V6 version of the tool that is what I would assume.


    Grant Perkins
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  • Martin Knowles
    Same request here. Coming to C1 from Lightroom 4 (which lets you do highlight+shadow adjustments on an adjustment layer), having the HDR shadow+highlight tool available as a local adjustment would be a huge benefit).
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  • SFA
    [quote="mkphotomedia" wrote:
    Same request here. Coming to C1 from Lightroom 4 (which lets you do highlight+shadow adjustments on an adjustment layer), having the HDR shadow+highlight tool available as a local adjustment would be a huge benefit).


    I'm generally a believer in having every possible adjustment (that makes sense to use) in every available feature. So HDR in layers - yes, why not.

    I came to C1 from an application with a similar look and feel to C1 (not a layer clone of PS) and found the transition smooth.

    Now this other application does have all possible practical adjustment available for every type of adjustment feature including all local "layer" adjustments. Fantastically flexible and from time to time the editor of choice for me.

    However, mostly C1 does what is required better and faster without the need for intervention. I suspect V7, now that I have had a chance to play with it, will be more effective yet. If something is really tricky and C1 does not offer the complete solution then I will go to the other application - but I don't find that need very often. When I do I tend to think that the image is somewhat compromised anyway - at the limits of what might be useful to do with it - or is something that might offer a unique result using some intense tweaking.

    To put it into perspective - 99% of my RAW conversion and editing uses only C1 despite the alternative application having a huge number of potential combination edit results available.

    Or maybe it is because the other application has so many options available ..... 😉


    Grant Perkins
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  • falleri
    I just recently started using Capture One Pro (7.1) and wasn't sure if maybe I just overlooked it, but if I understand the posts here correctly, the high dynamic range feature can't be used with local adjustments indeed? (I was so hoping I was wrong about that)
    Anyway, I am new to this forum, but I thought I'd add another vote to having the highlight and shadow adjustments availabe as a local adjustment as well. I could really use it for my interior shots. If I use this adjustment globally the ceilings usually become too dark. I can fix that in other ways afterwards but still, it would be a huge help if I could brush in some highlight adjustments and be done with it. I have been trying to do the same using the exposure adjustment, but since this covers everything it needs very precise brushing, which is a total pain.. especially in areas with windows and outside light shining in etc.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    I do a lot of interiors too and do not use the HDR function for that (highlight in windows) purpose but the LCC technique instead. You can find more details about it in the Image Professor's blog at
    http://blog.phaseone.com/2011/01/13/the ... -hdr-tool/
    The HDR tool is great (and much improved), but LCC goes way beyond that in difficult situations.

    Regarding HDR and adjustments layers:
    HDR is basically an exposure adjustment, but working asymmetric, that is from one end (light or dark side) in contrast to the regular exposure tool which affects the entire luminance range (more or less) equally.
    As a result, the combination of an layer with the exposure tool (and additional Color Editor tool), and opacity in the brush gives me a great deal of flexibility I can easily control.

    I personally do not feel the need for HDR in a layer but if you are accustomed to it (from other software) I understand one feels the omission.
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  • falleri
    Hi Paul,
    I tried this, but unfortunately it looks completely different for me, so I am not sure how to achieve this. I am using capture one pro 7, maybe that's why. Would be interesting to try it out but so far I haven't been able to.

    For me the big problem with brushing in exposure adjustments is it affects everything, so when I try to tone down the exterior the window sills and walls and things in front of the window have to be carefully avoided, or you will get a nasty dark halo like effect there. I don't particularly like hdr tools but used carefully and only partially (not in the entire image) they could help with the outside areas, as they affect mostly the highlights (or the shadows- but I'd only use the highlight slider in this case). I keep them a bit overexposed still, but a completely blown out effect is not what I want. So I don't mind using something else for this, but for now brushing in exposure adjustments is a bit harsh. I managed to pretty much get the look I want that way but it does take an absurd amount of time.

    Anyway I hope I can try out your method. I'd appreciate it if you could let me know if maybe I'm doing something wrong or if it has to be done differently for v.7.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Hi Falleri,

    Using LCC (Lens Cast Calibration) tool as a secret HDR tool is in fact fairly easy.

    1. Select your high contrast image
    2. If necessary lower the Exposure slider to prevent blown out highlights
    3. In the LCC tool (Lens tool tab) click on the Create LCC button; deselect the two options in the create dialog (dust and wide angle) and click Create.

    The image now looks overblown and desaturated.

    4. In the LCC tool, deselect Color Cast
    5. In the LCC tool, keep the Enable Uniform Light box enabled but lower the Uniform Light slider to 20% (=starting point)
    6. Adapt the Exposure tool for a proper luminance level.

    Note
    If you want a stronger HDR effect, increase the LCC Uniform Light slider to approx. 30% and lower the exposure.
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  • falleri
    Thanks Paul, I will try this out asap.
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