CaptureOne versus ON1....
Now that ON1 have launched their latest version named 'ON1 RAW' they appear to be claiming it has the best RAW converter currently available. So, such a claim would be tending to challenge the supremacy of Capture One Pro 10.
I have occasionally been using previous versions of ON1 but only their Effects module and only to sometimes complete an image. It has layers and all sorts of other features which position it somewhere between CaptureOne and Photoshop.
Most ON1 users look as if they are intent on creating the most unnatural and lurid landscapes they possibly can. It's as if ON1 is the latest fashion in HDR. Nothing wrong with High Definition & Resolution when very sensitively applied rather than a drowning! But perhaps this is what is currently 'Digital Art' rather than the art of photographing reality even if that reality is how you saw it at the time. More recreational drugs anyone?
Although I have prepaid for a copy of ON1 RAW (bad name in my opinion) I have not downloaded it yet mostly due to reported bugs and I am in no hurry to do so.
I see Lightroom as a rival but wondered what the CaptureOne community thought about ON1 as a rival - Please discuss....
I have occasionally been using previous versions of ON1 but only their Effects module and only to sometimes complete an image. It has layers and all sorts of other features which position it somewhere between CaptureOne and Photoshop.
Most ON1 users look as if they are intent on creating the most unnatural and lurid landscapes they possibly can. It's as if ON1 is the latest fashion in HDR. Nothing wrong with High Definition & Resolution when very sensitively applied rather than a drowning! But perhaps this is what is currently 'Digital Art' rather than the art of photographing reality even if that reality is how you saw it at the time. More recreational drugs anyone?
Although I have prepaid for a copy of ON1 RAW (bad name in my opinion) I have not downloaded it yet mostly due to reported bugs and I am in no hurry to do so.
I see Lightroom as a rival but wondered what the CaptureOne community thought about ON1 as a rival - Please discuss....
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[quote="RedRobin" wrote:
Now that ON1 have launched their latest version named 'ON1 RAW' they appear to be claiming it has the best RAW converter currently available. So, such a claim would be tending to challenge the supremacy of Capture One Pro 10.
I have occasionally been using previous versions of ON1 but only their Effects module and only to sometimes complete an image. It has layers and all sorts of other features which position it somewhere between CaptureOne and Photoshop.
Most ON1 users look as if they are intent on creating the most unnatural and lurid landscapes they possibly can. It's as if ON1 is the latest fashion in HDR. Nothing wrong with High Definition & Resolution when very sensitively applied rather than a drowning! But perhaps this is what is currently 'Digital Art' rather than the art of photographing reality even if that reality is how you saw it at the time. More recreational drugs anyone?
Although I have prepaid for a copy of ON1 RAW (bad name in my opinion) I have not downloaded it yet mostly due to reported bugs and I am in no hurry to do so.
I see Lightroom as a rival but wondered what the CaptureOne community thought about ON1 as a rival - Please discuss....
ON1 is amateur software at best. And... it uses camera raw to process the images so... no nothing new0 -
[quote="alececco" wrote:
ON1 is amateur software at best. And... it uses camera raw to process the images so... no nothing new
....By "camera raw" I assume you mean Adobe Camera Raw. In which case, I agree and it's already established that CaptureOne's RAW conversion engine is superior to Adobe's version - I have seen this comparison in videos by third party independent users. Even in my own experience as an amateur photographer I have experienced the superiority of CaptureOne's RAW converters - Better than Apple's Aperture too, although that's better than Adobe's.
And so I am inclined to continue using ON1 (regardless of how they name it!) only as an occasional Photoshop plug-in filter if I need any extra effects to enhance an image.
I must admit that I feel irritated by ON1's claims and marketing hype although I like the minor parts of their software which I use.0 -
"Photo RAW will be using it's own built in RAW processor, therefore the information in this paragraph does not apply. The Suite 9.5 and Photo 10 rely on Apple's RAW engine to open RAW files."
Source : https://on1help.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/2062778470 -
[quote="John Doe" wrote:
"Photo RAW will be using it's own built in RAW processor, therefore the information in this paragraph does not apply. The Suite 9.5 and Photo 10 rely on Apple's RAW engine to open RAW files."
Source : https://on1help.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/206277847
....In which case, alececco's post that 'ON1 Photo RAW' uses Adobe's Camera Raw is out of date (or, with respect, incorrect) and ON1 does now have its own RAW conversion engine.
Assuming that ON1's latest version engine is better than Apple's RAW engine, it logically is more of a rival to CaptureOne's engine, at least in theory. I found I liked Apple's Aperture RAW engine (but prefer CaptureOne's).
However, although a RAW engine is fundamental to exploiting a camera sensor's data capture to achieve the best processed image results, the subsequent tools within any RAW editing software are equally important. Also, the file organisational features of such software is a very important practical consideration from the user's point of view.
Personally I currently am very satisfied with how I use CaptureOne (v10.0.0.193) and don't anticipate switching to ON1 Photo RAW for my front line image processing and first stage edits.
It does seem that ON1 have set out to combine many of the features of CaptureOne Pro and Photoshop but I have always been wary of a 'Jack-of-all-trades-but-master-of-none' approach. For the same reason, I don't think that C1's Noise Reduction or Sharpening tools can match those very powerful third party plug-in filters by Imageonic and piccure+.
It's always best to choose Horses-for-Courses in my opinion.0 -
[quote="RedRobin" wrote:
[quote="John Doe" wrote:
"Photo RAW will be using it's own built in RAW processor, therefore the information in this paragraph does not apply. The Suite 9.5 and Photo 10 rely on Apple's RAW engine to open RAW files."
Source : https://on1help.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/206277847
....In which case, alececco's post that 'ON1 Photo RAW' uses Adobe's Camera Raw is out of date (or, with respect, incorrect) and ON1 does now have its own RAW conversion engine.
I don't think Adobe ever licensed its Camera Raw engine to any other software house, have they?0 -
[quote="John Doe" wrote:
[quote="RedRobin" wrote:
In which case, alececco's post that 'ON1 Photo RAW' uses Adobe's Camera Raw is out of date (or, with respect, incorrect) and ON1 does now have its own RAW conversion engine.
I don't think Adobe ever licensed its Camera Raw engine to any other software house, have they?
....Yes it would seem highly unlikely that Adobe would license it to a potential rival. And, of course, the same applies to Apple and indeed Phase One no doubt.
Well, the proof of the pudding is in the eating and I don't see cyberspace clogging up with user reports about how superior ON1 Photo RAW is to Capture One Pro 10.
Of course the bottom line is to first capture the best original images in camera - You can't polish a turd (unless perhaps if you roll it in glitter!)0 -
I bought On1 's Perfect Suite 8 But use it to little to further invest in it.
But there are a few options which I think work very well. Perfect Potrait is a great help for improving portaits, I love their vignette tool which can be placed easily anywhere in your photo and has a lot of adjustment features. But for me the perfect eraser is the proof of the pudding. It beats any other healing tool imo.0 -
[quote="John Doe" wrote:
I don't think Adobe ever licensed its Camera Raw engine to any other software house, have they?
Nope.
And in any event, why would anyone want to licence it anyway, given the proliferation of open source Raw engines/demosaicing algorithms out there, many of which are objectively superior to ACR?0 -
[quote="RedRobin" wrote:
Well, the proof of the pudding is in the eating and I don't see cyberspace clogging up with user reports about how superior ON1 Photo RAW is to Capture One Pro 10.
Yeah, but you can say that about Photo Ninja too - and that's unquestionably a better converter than Capture One, in objective IQ terms.
It only does Raw conversion - none of the "added value" image manipulation functionality that Capture One provides (which is in any event done better in pixel editors like PhotoShop or Affinity Photo, so it's not missed in Photo Ninja) - but it's a far better converter.0 -
[quote="RedRobin" wrote:
the subsequent tools within any RAW editing software are equally important
No, they really aren't - and this obsession with trying to make Raw converters like Capture One into PhotoShop substitutes is precisely why Raw engine development stalls and actual image quality doesn't improve from release to release, which is just what we've seen with Capture One between versions 8 and 10.0 -
[quote="MartinGJ" wrote:
But for me the perfect eraser is the proof of the pudding. It beats any other healing tool imo.
Try the Inpainting Brush tool in Affinity Photo...0 -
[quote="Keith Reeder" wrote:
[quote="RedRobin" wrote:
Well, the proof of the pudding is in the eating and I don't see cyberspace clogging up with user reports about how superior ON1 Photo RAW is to Capture One Pro 10.
Yeah, but you can say that about Photo Ninja too - and that's unquestionably a better converter than Capture One, in objective IQ terms.
It only does Raw conversion - none of the "added value" image manipulation functionality that Capture One provides (which is in any event done better in pixel editors like PhotoShop or Affinity Photo, so it's not missed in Photo Ninja) - but it's a far better converter.
....Photo Ninja ONLY does RAW conversion? - The video tutorials I have seen about it clearly demonstrate that it has image adjustment sliders albeit a different set than in Capture One.
From a practical point of view which suits what I personally shoot and which has an efficient workflow (I exclusively shoot wildlife in RAW format) I find Capture One > Photoshop TIFF + plug-ins > Capture One > Export as JPEG to be very adequate. The organisational features of Capture One are valuable to me and I import RAW files from D-SLR in hundreds at a time directly into Capture One. How would Photo Ninja manage image organisation?
Also, I do not find Capture One's RAW converter lacking. I started this thread to discuss CaptureOne versus ON1 rather than versus other software. However, your posts on the subject are interesting, so thanks 😊0 -
I have Photoninja and I don't believe it is "unquestionably" better than C1. Maybe for X-Trans cameras? The only other raw processor I use on occasion is Iridient (for Mac) which I found better than Photo Ninja and which has some very slick sharpening options. That said, I think C1P's new export sharpening preview is invaluable (to me anyway) and I generally need, from a workflow standpoint, the ability to copy/paste adjustments across piles of photos which you cannot do efficiently with Photoninja or Iridient.
Iridient now has a Windows version of their raw tool, but like PhotoNinja, it has no organizational tools etc.0
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