Awful prints from C1 - what have I done wrong?
I'm new to C1 LE and had high hopes regarding the quality of the final print. However, I've just processed my first two RAW images and, quite frankly, the prints I got at the end are absolutely awful. I then processed the same 2 images in PSE3 and got excellent results! My printer is an Epson R300 and is an excellent home printer but I now feel I've wasted my money on C1.
The prints from C1 were almost black - so dark it was ridiculous! What have I done wrong?
My monitor is calibrated to the print lab I use for weddings so I can't change it.
Any advice, please?
Trudy
The prints from C1 were almost black - so dark it was ridiculous! What have I done wrong?
My monitor is calibrated to the print lab I use for weddings so I can't change it.
Any advice, please?
Trudy
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This raise a few questions>
Is your workflow colour managed? You say it is but:
Does CO match PS?
Does PS match print?
If you convert one file with PS and one with CO and put them up side by side is there a hugh difference color wise?
Are they using the same workspace?
Hope this helps.0 -
Hi, Thanks for your reply.
When I put the images side by side on the screen they look exactly the same. Its just that at the printing stage the image processed in C1 looks dreadful and the image process in Adobe Camera Raw looks great. How can they look the same on screen yet print differently?
Totally puzzled,
Trudy0 -
Hi Trudy,
Any chance of downloading the two files, one from ACR and one from C1?
What colour space have you set in C1 for Camera Product, Camera Profile, and Output Destination?
What settings do you use to print on the Epson? Auto, Epson canned profile, custom profile?
What file format are you converting to? TIFF or JPEG?
IMHO C1 makes the most film-like prints of any RAW converter.
[color=blue:maweqhx4]My monitor is calibrated to the print lab I use for weddings so I can't change it.[/color:maweqhx4]
Seriously? Then you aren't working in an open ICC managed enviroment. In fact you're working for the lab and I hope they pay well! 😊
-- Robert.0 -
Hi, and thanks for your reply. I'm completely flummoxed over this as I don't understand how two prints can look identical on screen yet print totally differently.
Do I upload them to this site or shall I email them to you?
I really appreciate your help,
Trudy0 -
Hi Trudy,
You can email me or use www.yousendit.com as often large files fall apart traveling by email. They need not be full size images, as long as they show the same weird characteristics you describe here.
Have you lodged a support request with PhaseOne?
-- Robert.0 -
Trudy,
Just for the record,... it is possible to get Dead-On color from Capture One.
At the risk of oversimplifying this topic, which I confirm can be very deep...
IF:
>> Monitor is correctly calibrated
>> icon above Preview Color Management on/off is enabled
>> All Color Management settings are correct
>> Process tab Color Management workflow is set correct
Then a correctly produced file is created that has the embedded Color Profile. Opening image in Photoshop to confirm the correct color space embedded - while being careful not to inadvertantly change it. Once all is confirmed to this point, you have a good image. Thereafter, when color is poor from Printer I would investigate the printer render software since it appears it is ignoring the correct color information.
You say you print to Epson and to a Lab. Do you change the profile selection in Color Management between the 2 ? If Lab printing, do you embed the Lab's Profile ? The Lab may/may not want you to do this, that is a question for them.
In general, a Kodak lab will prefer Adobe RGB 1998 and a Fuji lab sRGB color spaces. Does Epson have a recommendation for a color space or use a specific printer profile ? .. this is a question for Espon.
Hope this helps some.
Sincerely,
k c0 -
Hi again,
Yes I did send a report request to C1 and have had absolutely no response except to say that they got my request which is now 3 days old.0 -
Hello again,
I've just tried reprocessing the image again firstly in C1/converting to Tiff then finishing in Photoshop, and then doing another one completely in Photoshop. I then printed each one with the 'no color adjustment' tab ticked in the Printer Properties and guess what - yep, exactly the same. Awful!
I'm asking C1 for a refund now as I was better off without it!0 -
Trudy, At the beginning of a steep learning curve with RAW - that's me!
Therefore, I truly hope that you won't give up so easily as you start up this learning curve. Did you see the part above where I said ' ,... it is possible to get Dead-On color from Capture One.\" ?
I use a 20D and get great color printing at home and sending to lab, but I have to use different settings in Color Management.
Have you consulted support at your Lab or Epson ?
Have you done any testing or troubleshooting from above?
I will look for you Support Case and compare notes with Supporter.
Regards,
k c0 -
Thanks for your response. Yes I've tried several different suggestions. I've now tried it on CS2 as well. CS2 is set to sRGB, the monitor is set to s RGB, the printer is set to sRGB, I disabled color management on the printer as well on another attempt, I've tried Photoshop Elements 3 set to sRGB and still I am getting rubbish from any print that is RAW processed in C1 first. All I've achieved so far is wasting a lot of paper and ink vainly hoping that I'll get it right eventually.
Extremely cheesed off about this.0 -
Trudy,
As you know you have already created a support case to date and still have not provided the appropriate files to view, we are unable to help you any further.
You are more likely having a problem that is not the software , but understanding color management and profiles.
I encourage you to take the time to learn about some basic color management.
color management is all about consistency and to be able to apply these priniciples to create accurate rendering within the photographer's industry and scope.
Good news-- is you are not alone... we are all in this together !
( some excellent links regarding color managment )
http://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/color_management.htm
http://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/profiles.htm
... good luck Trudy 😎
Kind Regards,
JRA0 -
Hi,
I must admit I'm having the same problem with LE 3.7.4. I like the app very much and would like to buy it, but I can't export to sRGB color space other than going through a conversion to sRGB in Photoshop. I'm very frustrated as I do understand color management and don't see what I'm doing wrong...
When using the process tool in Capture One I need to export images into sRGB color space. There is a possibility to choose destination color space, but this seems to only ASSIGN, not CONVERT into the color space. In other words as soon as you change the 'embedded camera profile' into anything else, color is miscalculated and the result is awful.
If you import the image with 'embedded camera profile' into Photoshop and click 'convert to sRGB' colors are preserved perceptually and the image looks great. In the image attached you'll see on the left a photo converted into sRGB from Phase One, and to the right an image with the embedded camera profile converted into sRGB inside of Photoshop. Big difference!
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/1895/picture12vh.png
I keep all images in RAW and export as needed (for development). If I cannot export directly into sRGB color space it poses a big detriment to using Capture One. There just must be a way! 😊
Thank you,
Roman0 -
[quote="roman" wrote:
Hi,
I must admit I'm having the same problem with LE 3.7.4. I like the app very much and would like to buy it, but I can't export to sRGB color space other than going through a conversion to sRGB in Photoshop. I'm very frustrated as I do understand color management and don't see what I'm doing wrong...
When using the process tool in Capture One I need to export images into sRGB color space. There is a possibility to choose destination color space, but this seems to only ASSIGN, not CONVERT into the color space. In other words as soon as you change the 'embedded camera profile' into anything else, color is miscalculated and the result is awful.
If you import the image with 'embedded camera profile' into Photoshop and click 'convert to sRGB' colors are preserved perceptually and the image looks great. In the image attached you'll see on the left a photo converted into sRGB from Phase One, and to the right an image with the embedded camera profile converted into sRGB inside of Photoshop. Big difference!
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/1895/picture12vh.png
I keep all images in RAW and export as needed (for development). If I cannot export directly into sRGB color space it poses a big detriment to using Capture One. There just must be a way! 😊
Thank you,
Roman
Does anyone have a response to Roman's comments above about C1 only "assigning" and not "converting" when choosing sRGB as the destination color space? I've been thinking exactly the same things as he wrote in my limited experience with C1 and hope somebody can clear it up.
Lee0 -
Capture One Embeds Profiles and Does Not Assign them.
Capture One embeds the established profile at the Color Management Settings and what is set at the Process tab for Color Management workflow.
i.e. Set to sRGB, and you get sRGB
This is confirmed in Photoshop when you choose Show Document Profile.
Cheers,
k c0 -
Dear Lee (enigma),
the conversion into sRGB works very well since Phase ONE released their update about a week ago. Version 3.7.4 from mid March had a nasty bug, at least on Intel Macs, which stayed uncorrected for a few weeks, but eventually got fixed to our relief.
Best regards,
Roman0
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