New update in sight ??
It has been about 2 months from the last update for CO.
I hope there is another one soon.
I just had another strange hangup yesterday as I was flipping back and forth between images.
I guess I was clicking the mouse too quickly, and the refocus routine hung up again.
Patience, Jim !!
I hope there is another one soon.
I just had another strange hangup yesterday as I was flipping back and forth between images.
I guess I was clicking the mouse too quickly, and the refocus routine hung up again.
Patience, Jim !!
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[quote="SteveCase2" wrote:
"Then, once they have entered "layer space" - the list can go on a long way."
"layer space".... will be small potatoes when they get to the "need to integrate" a built in DAM "feature"! 🙄
When that happens we'll need a much larger forum! 😉
... entering the DAM space so to speak...0 -
DAMn? you lost me there. Is it a Hollandish feature? 0 -
Digital Asset Management. 0 -
Thank you, Keith.
Isn't that what Media Pro 1 is supposed to do - and before that Expression Media?0 -
There appears to be a large enough segment of people that want the "all in one" program instead of using a suite of different specialized programs. Lightroom has DAM. Bibble has one built in. ( rather crude, still needs some work ) My take is that many people are looking for the one stop photo editing program that will do everything except hang the photo on the wall. 🙄 0 -
SteveC,
Personally I don’t believe in the "all in one" solution.
The concept “the best from all worlds†already serves my purpose well.
I regard Photoshop to be the most thought out program system ever made for digital image editing. It deserves to be the core in any serious image editing project.
The PS system’s ability to include plug-ins is the most logical way to combine different functionality - to have it at hand when you need it and avoid it being in the way, when you don't need it.
I had a look at Lightroom 3.5 recently. It represents an attempting combination of DAM and image editing, but being a PS user I was rather uncomfortable with the mix, and the compromises it represents mean limited editing functionality compared to PS. Of course we don't need the same features all of us, so Lightroom has it's disciples too.
I have used Bridge for years. Except from being unable to show images at 25 and 50 percent it does a DAMn good work for me.
When it comes to image editing involving adjustment layers and masking I would not be without Photoshop. To a wide extent non destructive editing is possible in PS using it's many alternatives to the direct pixel moving tools.
When the masking facility in C1 was introduced I found it misplaced (still can't adapt to it). Further, including layers would be another wrong decision, I think, as it would take years to make it compete with PS.
I would rather keep C1 as an excellent raw-converter brought to perfection in the basic areas, such as color balancing, tonal range, aberration removal, de-noising and pre-sharpening. At least there is space for improving the de-noising and pre-sharpening functions as they work now. The file portability features are fine too.
Using the apparently limited resources wihtin Phase One in these areas would be smart, I think.0 -
[quote="Eigil Skovgaard" wrote:
I would rather keep C1 as an excellent raw-converter brought to perfection in the basic areas, such as color balancing, tonal range, aberration removal, de-noising and pre-sharpening.
Yep, count me in as someone else with no interest in an all-in-one solution. I want my converter to convert, my DAM solution to catalogue, and my image editor to let me polish my conversions to my definition of perfection.
Personally I see the all-in-one approach as a rather contrived use-case: I also have Lightroom 3.x and Bibble 5 on my machine, and I don't use the cataloguing functions of either - they're converters for me, pure and simple - but Capture One's stripped-down design model is much more to my liking.0 -
C1 should not replace Photoshop. Photoshop will be an integral part of most photographer's workflows for a long time to come.
But C1 should be able to export .psd files that automatically open in Photoshop. And, in return, it should be able to show .psd files in its browser. I usually have my raw, jpeg and psd files hanging around in the same project folders. Now, in CS1 I am able to see all of them except my psd-files. So I have to skip to the finder to see if I have any psd-files for this project. That is a cumbersome workflow, in my eyes.
Lightroom (of course) can do that. And Aperture, too. So why shouldn't C1?
Cheers,
Roman0 -
C1 can process 16 bit Tiffs to be opened in Photoshop right away. Then you are only two clicks away from a PSD file.
I could also use the later PSD file to be visible in C1, but that should be for browsing only, otherwise I can't see the purpose (?)0 -
I just got a survey about workflow that says they are looking for input for v7. 0 -
Interesting - is it possible to have a look at the survey?
I have suggested 2-3 examples on how sessions and albums are used together in existing - real life - workflows, explained by the actual users.0 -
it was an online survery and I deleted the link. It basically asked if you use a DAM,if you use Collections, Photoshop and several other C1 features. It then asked for suggestions. 0 -
It has been another month since I started this thread - and the topics and diversions in this thread are fairly diverse.
I just had another lock up while bouncing around between images within a folder containing less than 20 images that had been fully loaded by CO.
After forcing a quit, the program bounced back ok - but such behavior needs to be fixed.
And I am still waiting for noise reduction and sharpening capabilities that are at least "industry standard".0 -
Jim,
Excuse me for mudding your message.
I think your open title of this tread invites people to dream of a C1-- INCLUDING support!
By now my personal conclusion is this:
“Silence†is what the future of C1 is wrapped in, almost as were I visiting a cemetery. Even being a glad optimist you have to be patient in a sick way to adapt to this extremely unprofessional behavior from Phase One.
It will only lead to increasing frustration, even among true believers.
Even for a declared C1 addict as me, the constant demand for patience becomes tiring, or: Sorry we can’t support this or that, or: Even thought we do support your camera, you will have to wait for the next 3 releases or more for a solution, while the underlying message is: Nikon and Canon are important partners, and with your choice of camera (Sony) you are not - etc. etc.
The extreme demand for “patience†is about to throw me in the arms of Adobe’s Camera Raw - just to save time and keep my optimism alive. ACR is not bad! And my camera has been supported all the time by Adobe as a matter of course.
We are not supposed to let steam out on these pages, but the more and more obvious problem - indifference! - must have it's space for reactions.0 -
[quote="NN160897UL1" wrote:
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The extreme demand for “patience†is about to throw me in the arms of Adobe’s Camera Raw - just to save time and keep my optimism alive. ACR is not bad! And my camera has been supported all the time by Adobe as a matter of course.
We are not supposed to let steam out on these pages, but the more and more obvious problem - indifference! - must have it's space for reactions.
Personally, I think that Phase One actually cares. If I accept that, then I can only conclude that they are understaffed and over whelmed; and possibly mismanaged.
What frustrates me (and probably you and others) are news releases like this today:
Adobe has released Photoshop Lightroom 3.6 and Camera Raw 6.6. These are final versions of updates that were originally posted as 'release candidates' on the Adobe Labs site, and are available for immediate download. The latest versions provide RAW support for 9 additional cameras, including the Canon Powershot S100, Fujifilm X10, Nikon 1 V1 and J1, Panasonic DMC-GX1, Samsung NX5 and NX200, and Sony NEX-7, alongside over 30 new lens correction profiles.
The full list of additional cameras supported in this update is:
Canon Powershot S100
Fuji Finepix X10
Leica V-LUX 3
Nikon 1 J1
Nikon 1 V1
Panasonic DMC-GX1
Ricoh GR Digital IV
Samsung NX5
Samsung NX200
Sony NEX-70 -
Adobe and Phase One - not exactly an apples to apples comparison, is it? 0 -
Now ACR 6.6 versus C1 6.3.2.
A raw converter to a raw converter. In the essence isn't the taste of the juice much the same...?
I just want the conversion to go swift and to pass on as much image information as possible, and this concern includes correct camera data (which I don't get with C1). Both systems are non destructive. In fact, the only thing I miss with ACR is the very efficient removal of color aberration edges in C1. This is visually apparent. What else goes on under the hood is less obvious to me. So, maybe it's just a matter of taste - e.g. which interface to prefer. I hurry towards Photoshop anyway, as PS represents the unlimited world to me.0
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