Capture One for Linux
Dear Phase One team,
Currently I'm running Capture One on Windows 8.1.
After end of life of Win8 I will not upgrade to Win10 (nothing I would like to discuss here) but move to Linux (what I'm already running in parallel. In fact, Capture One is the last software which prevents a full migration to Linux already now.
Can you please comment on any plans with regard to Linux support of Capture One?
Many thanks,
Hans
Currently I'm running Capture One on Windows 8.1.
After end of life of Win8 I will not upgrade to Win10 (nothing I would like to discuss here) but move to Linux (what I'm already running in parallel. In fact, Capture One is the last software which prevents a full migration to Linux already now.
Can you please comment on any plans with regard to Linux support of Capture One?
Many thanks,
Hans
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Not sure I'm getting your point. I didn't ask for free software or open source nor for support of old hardware. I'm looking for a way to run a professional software which I paid for on Linux. And I would be willing to pay for the corresponding upgrade again.
Just look at DaVinci Resolve from Blackmagicdesign as a proof that this is possible from both a technical as well as commercial perspective. Why shoulnd't PhaseOne be able to follow that same route?6 -
Recent Capture one Linux user. Linux users don't like to pay is a myth and it's unproven. Provided the software is good, they are willing to pay more than the windows users. The 2% linux is a myth and I believe it should be around 5% and not 2%. Microsoft admitted that the linux users are more than what's reported by many stats counters.
Also these days cross platform development is not much of an overhead.
I am currently trying to make the GPU passthrough work on my linux workstation so that I can use Capture One pro without leaving Linux.
I currently use Darktable and while it's an excellent software, it lacks camera and lens profile for GFX-50S (with their zoom lenses, etc...)
I would love to pay even double for Capture One Pro Fuji version on Linux.
I guess, I will have to make GPU Passthrough work then.4 -
Hi Bobtographer,
I already contacted the support but the only thing I got was
> "we do not comment on development as per our policy. Stay tuned for future updates to Capture One [...]"
which isn't really that helpful.
So by posting here I a) wanted to explore a second channel, b) wanted to see whether this demand resonates with other users as well, and c) check whether others already have successfully tried practical alternatives such as running C1 in wine. So I still find this a not too bad place for posting this question. However, I agree that I probably should have phrased my point more precisely.
Hi Keith,
enjoy your popcorn. However, this post was not intended to just amuse the forum here.
Many thanks!3 -
[quote="HansN" wrote:
...Capture One is the last software which prevents a full migration to Linux already now.
My last upgrade from DOS was to WIN 3.1, but now I have used Linux (openSUSE) exclusively since 2006 and would not switch, but sometimes I have to use Windows to run specific programs (i.e. AutoCad, Scrivener). For that reason I install VirtualBox on all my Linux machines. I then install either Windows 7 or Windows 10 in the VM. I'ts a very easy process until you come to fine tuning things like USB, etc., but there are tons of posts on line that sort out the process very well, then it's a simple matter to use my Windows software when needed without even rebooting. I can even switch back and forth from Windows to Linux with a couple of mouse clicks. I can even cut/copy and paste back and forth.
Nevertheless, until recently, I did all my photo processing (1500 +/- pix/week) in Linux with Darktable and really loved it Then I tried C1 12 in August and was blown away. Now I run C1 in VMs on two Linux computers, one with Win7 and one with Win10, and the performance on both is every bit as good as it was when I tested on a "bare metal" Windows installation. The results are more pleasing to me, and the workflow is much quicker than DT.3 -
[quote="NNN636990894822181383" wrote:
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It's a mistake to assume that creative professionals are choosing Windows or MacOS and that the applications are passive bystanders. The application compatibility with OSes drive the decision on what OS to use, not the other way around. Choosing between custom hardware but the Windows OS, or forced to use Apple hardware to have access to a *nix OS, is only good for Microsoft and Apple's bottom lines.
The danger to P1 is less that they'd put a small dev team on creating a Linux fork to satisfy a small user base, and more that if they're the last app keeping a user on Windows or Mac, that user is likely to find an alternative to that one app than they are continue to make an exception for the one app.
I actually registered just to respond to this (yes, I know, dredging up old threads and all...).
This is exactly the situation I'm currently in. I'm a developer by trade, so comfortable with Linux. That said I use Mac and iOS for anything photo related. As per earlier comments, my Linux use is all headless on remote development environments and production servers, but I'm investigating changing that and using it as my desktop and sole OS.
My Apple hardware is starting to show it's age, and despite the recent 16" MacBook Pro annoucement being a sign of hope, I'd rather not reward Apple for sticking their fingers in their ears for 4 years and denying theres any issues with the hardware (nevermind the decline of the OS both as a casual user and a dev).
That leaves me building a desktop and deciding on either Windows 10 or Linux...
Capture One is the only software that currently prevents me from going all-in on Linux, and it's likely to result in either getting comfortable with Darktable (I'd rather not) or resorting to Lightroom CC on my iPad (getting better every release!). Windows 10 leaves a lot to be desired and a foul taste in the mouth (lots of data gathering going on behind the scenes). I love using CP1, but not enough to either pay over the odds for my (recently-poorly-engineered) hardware (Apple) or compromise on my OS (Windows).
Linux support for new hardware is pretty good. You can't expect "day of release" support for new GPU architectures like NAVI from AMD, but it arrived pretty shortly afterwards, same with Ryzen chips. Rolling release distributions help here, which unfortunately puts kernal-supported hardware at odds with the more popular distros (Debian/Ubuntu/etc) that often lag a fair way behind the most recent kernel version. Nvidia still don't play ball, but their drivers do work and they remain the choice for gaming on Linux - another segment that's growing.
Between things like Linux's share of server installs (and proven track record there), it's advancements in gaming and GPU intensive work like 3D and CAD, Microsoft's recent and voracious appetite for all things Linux and it being the base of many other OS' like Chrome and Android (albeit heavily altered) — things are starting to converge around it.
Sure, Windows isn't going away anytime soon and neither will macOS, but I think users are starting to understand the implications of handing their entire computing life over to a single company and are interested in Linux. It's now relatively approachable and with the appropriate software available, I think you'd see more people using it.
Anyway, just my tuppence worth.3 -
For example, Blackmagic DaVinci Resolve, professional grade video editing software available on Linux, OSX, and Windows. And it's a much more advanced application, utilizing full GPU encoding, etc. I use DaVinci Resolve on Linux and it outperform Windows by 15%.
It all comes down to PhaseOne's business strategies.3 -
Adobe had a Unix version of PS back in the 90's.. it died. 2 -
Yep, I'd love to use Linux version too. I am a 10+ years linux user and I use Darktable + GIMP. Recently I did GPU Passthrough and then W10 as guest inside QEMU to run CP1 to compare against Darktable. I'd love if they have Linux version and I may switch to it.
Bought Corel Aftershot Pro for linux and didn't like it. nevertheless, I have lifetime license now.2 -
this is a user forum, best way to get a response is to visit their website and contact support 1 -
The especially silly thing about the anti-Linux argument is that MacOS is a *nix derivative. Asking for a Linux compatible version of the application when there's already a Mac version of an application... I won't say it's "easy" or "nothing', but, it's not like we're asking them to take a Windows exclusive and rewrite it.
Linux as a server OS is now used more than Windows in professional IT shops; Microsoft itself is investing heavily in Linux moving forward, at the same time divesting their business model from being reliant on desktop OS sales; and while yes there are various versions of Linux, someone with a bit of knowledge of the environment knows that there's really just 2-3 primary variants, and even then, settling on the Debian-based platform (serving all Debian/Ubuntu flavors) would likely serve the vast majority of Linux desktop users.
It's a mistake to assume that creative professionals are choosing Windows or MacOS and that the applications are passive bystanders. The application compatibility with OSes drive the decision on what OS to use, not the other way around. Choosing between custom hardware but the Windows OS, or forced to use Apple hardware to have access to a *nix OS, is only good for Microsoft and Apple's bottom lines.
The danger to P1 is less that they'd put a small dev team on creating a Linux fork to satisfy a small user base, and more that if they're the last app keeping a user on Windows or Mac, that user is likely to find an alternative to that one app than they are continue to make an exception for the one app.1 -
In reply to the OP:
It's possible to switch to Linux and run CaptureOne, if you install VirtualBox as a virtual machine. You can then install your chosen 64-bit Windows OS and run C1. Before getting a Mac, I ran C1 on Windows (7 & 10), prefer 7) for many years. However, I never succeeded in getting the graphics processor to work. Nevertheless C1 ran well, except that selecting all images in the catalogue led to a long delay. On the Mac it is almost instantaneous.
Since getting the Mac, I find Auntie Apple too controlling, so I have returned to Linux Mint as my preferred OS, and use it for all my work except photo processing. Had I known then what I know now, I would probably not have bought the Mac.1 -
If my Mac fail someday, I'll buy a windows machine and I'll use it in dual boot option.
Linux for web and office work and windows just to run Capture One. This is the only solution in my opinion.1 -
To Keith R: When you don't need it, it doesn't mean that someone else doesn't need it. Davinci Resolve is also on Linux and works better than Windows. So don't say nonsense pls.
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Your post is demagogic and refers to a statement from 2014. The Linux desktop has come a long way and is now at a high level. If there were enough commercial applications for it people would leave windows in bulk. So be happy with the version you use on MAC or Windows and leave the decision to the software developer. Thank you.
I'm not the only one who would like a Linux version: https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002902958-Do-you-have-Capture-One-for-Linux-
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The last time I used an editor that added Linux to its Win and Mac offerings and then identified a need to upgrade its underlying development environment it went out of business in about a year.
One of the problems (looking at it from the outside - what was going in within the business was another matter) was that Linux users were always full of their own ideas about how to improve the product and which direction it should but never wanted to pay for a license since Linux applications for technically interested 'end users' were, traditionally, free.
That and the complication in those days of many not always compatible variants of Linux.
Later the whole product went to open source and, of course, many of the would be developers had other things to do and a few found themselves unable to allocate for the required time and effort for all sort of perfectly acceptable reasons and everything slowed to a crawl. Or slower.
That's just the way things go it seems.0 -
I dislike any results of "surveys" where the responders are self selecting, especially if the numbers are giving close results for two products and ignoring all others and no comments are allowed.
In my experience self selection tends to mean the majority do not bother to take part so the numbers are often interesing but not necessarily commercially indicative of reality.
That said, if anyone is interested in looking at something I stumbled across a few weeks ago, go to YouTube, search for "First Man Photography" and open the Community section.
There you will find a survey concerning which Post Processing application people prefer and a number of interesting comments to follow if one chooses to read them. You have to select your choice of preference before the figures will display.
If you scroll down the Community page posts you will find another survey about which camera brands you use. Also quite interesting but the earliest answers will be up to a year old.
There may be better sources of user numbers (if that is very meaningful).
Claimed numbers of licenses issued might also be interesting, if there is a public source for the data, but discovering how many of the issued licenses are actively used may be more difficult.0 -
How about a "survey" that uses the stats from 10 million page views from a tracking site that is running on 2 million sites world wide. Based on their data - which reflects some form of actual usage - web surfing the report:
Windows
72.59%
OS X
18.72%
Unknown
4.26%
Chrome OS
2.94%
Linux
1.48%
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-sha ... 901-201905
Clearly Phase One would be more interested in the machines used by Photographers but with those numbers I don't see how Linux using Photogs can be a large segment at all.0 -
[quote="NNN636990894822181383" wrote:
The especially silly thing about the anti-Linux argument is that MacOS is a *nix derivative. Asking for a Linux compatible version of the application when there's already a Mac version of an application... I won't say it's "easy" or "nothing', but, it's not like we're asking them to take a Windows exclusive and rewrite it.
Linux as a server OS is now used more than Windows in professional IT shops; Microsoft itself is investing heavily in Linux moving forward, at the same time divesting their business model from being reliant on desktop OS sales; and while yes there are various versions of Linux, someone with a bit of knowledge of the environment knows that there's really just 2-3 primary variants, and even then, settling on the Debian-based platform (serving all Debian/Ubuntu flavors) would likely serve the vast majority of Linux desktop users.
It's a mistake to assume that creative professionals are choosing Windows or MacOS and that the applications are passive bystanders. The application compatibility with OSes drive the decision on what OS to use, not the other way around. Choosing between custom hardware but the Windows OS, or forced to use Apple hardware to have access to a *nix OS, is only good for Microsoft and Apple's bottom lines.
The danger to P1 is less that they'd put a small dev team on creating a Linux fork to satisfy a small user base, and more that if they're the last app keeping a user on Windows or Mac, that user is likely to find an alternative to that one app than they are continue to make an exception for the one app.
How is Linux support for certain types of hardware progressing? I'm thinking here especially GPUs and the choices that people might wish to make for them but there may be other considerations too.0 -
[quote="rhonaldjr" wrote:
I am currently trying to make the GPU passthrough work on my linux workstation so that I can use Capture One pro without leaving Linux.
Hi,
does Capture One need a graphics card or is it just slow if it doesn't have access to one? I will buy a new PC next year and switch completely to Linux to get rid of Windows. I will try to run Capture One via Wine or VM. Can a VM use the graphics card if there is only one in the PC? Or does it need a dedicated one?
In case you ever get it to work, please let us know. And drop some hints of knowledge in case anyone else wants to try it 😊 Thanks.0 -
Hans,
Unfortunately, it's a catch-22. Not enough people to use Linux because there's not enough software and software vendors don't want to waste time on an operating system because there's not enough people. I wanted to do the same a few years back and tried to convince people of Linux but once they ask, can you run "this" on it and the only answer is, there's a similar one you can use, I've lost them.0 -
Please do Linux version.
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Hi, i'm trying to run Capture One under wine/steam proton. I'm pretty sure we can get it working trough the community. Right now i'm stuck with a popup not detecting the proper windows version even if i'm creating a windows 10/11 environment. Do you have any hint from developers in which dependency i might be fighting against? It would be really helpful and hopefully linux user will have a chance to make it working on their favourite OS even if not officially supported by you!
Thanks
Alessandro
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I run Linux Mint 21.2 Mate Desktop. In order to run Capture One, I run Windows 10 in VirtualBox. This works well for me, and at least Capture One is guaranteed to work.
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[quote="HansN" wrote:
Not sure I'm getting your point. I didn't ask for free software or open source nor for support of old hardware. I'm looking for a way to run a professional software which I paid for on Linux. And I would be willing to pay for the corresponding upgrade again.
Just look at DaVinci Resolve from Blackmagicdesign as a proof that this is possible from both a technical as well as commercial perspective. Why shoulnd't PhaseOne be able to follow that same route?
Technically it is possible of course.
But is it viable commercially?
I guess that depends on the customer mix (mostly the larger customers who may see some other benefits from abandoning Mac and Windows licences for Linux platforms that they may have (in technical terms) in house already.
Can you be sure that the Resolve software for Linux is self supporting, commercially, outside the broader sale of the rest of their products? Hardware sales are likely to be a much larger part of the business than the software (I suspect - not yet tried to check).
Such a consideration, especially if software on Linux might be used to leverage more hardware box sales, could be a key decision point.
Adobe, so far as I am aware, manufacture no hardware and, again so far as I know, offer no end user applications that run on native Linux.
As we all know, they have a large share of the market we are talking about. Given all of their resources, what stopped them developing a Linux version of all of their products?
(I see Jim MSP has made similar observations and come to similar conclusions about the potential market mix.)
Grant-1 -
[quote="NNN636814414886625974" wrote:
things are starting to converge around it.
Not at the desktop, they aren't.
We've been hearing for years that Linux' ascendancy is "just around the corner" - and yet here we are, still waiting for the breakthrough.
Maybe if it happens, you'll see a Linux Capture One.
I understand the appeal of Linux - I've got a couple of Linux machines, and I thoroughly appreciate my Chromebook - but until Linux is no longer niche at the desktop, I suspect that Linux support will remain a pipe-dream, and I can understand why, from a commercial point of view for Phase One, why that might be.-1 -
[quote="NNN636917815739960863" wrote:
This is the only solution in my opinion.
It really isn't. There's no good reason not to use Windows for everything you want to do. An OS that just gets out of the way and lets you use the software you want to use, without becoming a job in its own right, has a lot to recommend it.
Or VM Windows on a Linux box, as has been advocated already on this thread.-1 -
Please don't do Linux version.
For pity's sake, even Linus Torvalds agrees!
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To Keith R: When you don't need it, it doesn't mean that someone else doesn't need it. Davinci Resolve is also on Linux and works better than Windows. So don't say nonsense pls.
You really need to read the entire thread (typically, you clearly haven't) before lecturing me on "nonsense", or arguing about how many other people actually want (much less need) Linux support.
Besides - how is directly referencing The Father of Linux "saying nonsense"? Nothing significant in the Linux ecosystem has changed since he said it, and many of his concerns are actually worse now.
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I've got my popcorn - carry on... -2 -
[quote="HansN" wrote:
Not sure I'm getting your point. I didn't ask for free software or open source nor for support of old hardware. I'm looking for a way to run a professional software which I paid for on Linux. And I would be willing to pay for the corresponding upgrade again.
Sorry - I was thinking about the market, not one user. The market of photographers that I am aware of is almost 50/50 Mac/Windows (forgetting smart phones at this point). I don't know anyone who uses Linux. I don't know anybody that even uses Gimp (they are out there), though I have tried it.
To make the investment in converting to Linux, Phase One would have to be convinced that there is a untapped market for them that would justify the (most likely) substantial and ongoing investment. You can't just convert current users.[quote="HansN" wrote:
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Just look at DaVinci Resolve from Blackmagicdesign as a proof that this is possible from both a technical as well as commercial perspective. Why shoulnd't PhaseOne be able to follow that same route?
I don't use or know much about DaVinci. But when I look at their web site for Resolve I see " DaVinci Resolve runs on all major platforms so you can use it at home or in a post facility on a Mac, at a broadcast facility running Windows, or a VFX studio on Linux. " They see four user market segments. They see Linux as being used in a separate segment. Personally, I am not aware of or do I see a new user segment for Capture One on Linux.-2
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