Can I safely upgrade to Yosemite?
My most common problems with C1 are related to the fact that Apple's operating system upgrades, in this case, Yosemite, are designed to strongly encourage upgrading the system as soon as possible with daily nagging reminders that can't be turned off and serious compatibility problems with iCloud stored files. I know that it's a bad idea to upgrade the OS before Capture 1 has been upgraded to work with it properly. However, trying to answer that question of whether or not its a good idea to upgrade Mac's OS feels like going dumpster diving on the Phase One forum. Where can I see an intelligent, up to date analysis of the issues involved with running C1 on Yosemite? It's increasingly difficult to wait for PhaseOne to catch up with Apple upgrades. Please consider hiring more staff to handle this and perhaps charge more for your otherwise excellent software.
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I am processing files from my Oly E-M1 in C1 8 on a 2009 iMac (RAM upgraded to 8GB and 2.66GHz processor) running Yosemite.
No serious issues. I've had the odd C1 Crash - but nothing compared with the number of times Aperture crashed on me after upgrade.
Does that help?0 -
Thanks for your helpful reply. I will want to hear about more user experiences or some sort of official recommendation from PhaseOne before I upgrade. One would hope that that sort of statement would be more easily visible. 0 -
[quote="John3111" wrote:
Thanks for your helpful reply. I will want to hear about more user experiences or some sort of official recommendation from PhaseOne before I upgrade. One would hope that that sort of statement would be more easily visible.
John,
Save yourself some grief and move to Windows.
Seriously.
If you are not happy with that I would suggest you list a highly detailed machine hardware, firmware and software spec., and see if any other users are prepared to take the time to compare you current spec and theirs and then offer comments about their experiences.
Again, seriously.
Or you could ask Apple.
They have thousands of employees and plenty of spare dollars and should be easily able to afford to set up an investigative team that would be able to help all of their users to understand which of software will work with which configurations and how well. In fact I would guess that their feedback systems already have most of that information available. Perhaps all of it.
Presumably they publish it somewhere. If not, they really should as a service to their loyal customer base.0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
The experts on application software systems are the authors of those applications, not the developers of the operating software environments within which users may wish to run the applications.[quote="John3111" wrote:
Or you could ask Apple. They have thousands of employees and plenty of spare dollars and should be easily able to afford to set up an investigative team that would be able to help all of their users to understand which of software will work with which configurations and how well.
Furthermore, IMHO it's no more reasonable to expect that Apple will "qualify" the operation of third party applications on their systems than it is for Microsoft to do likewise. Unless, of course, Redmond offers this service. Can you confirm?0 -
I run 8.0.2 on Yosemite on an 2011 iMac and a 2012 mini, both on SSDs, both 16GB RAM, Phase One and Canon files on both computers.
Everything is going smoothly, knock on wood.0 -
[quote="W.W. Webster" wrote:
The experts on application software systems are the authors of those applications, not the developers of the operating software environments within which users may wish to run the applications.
Furthermore, IMHO it's no more reasonable to expect that Apple will "qualify" the operation of third party applications on their systems than it is for Microsoft to do likewise. Unless, of course, Redmond offers this service. Can you confirm?
Apple, despite their control over iTunes and mobile Apps, certainly do not have to deploy control over third party developments although it seems that, just like the Windows market, they don't always manage to control their own developments. The difference is, perhaps, that nobody expects any form of control (that works) in Windows World and can plan accordingly - perhaps bypassing new developments until they are proven to be stable.
However I would be very surprised it Apple development "partners" did not rapidly report problems they had found or that their users had found. Indeed it should be safe to assume that Apple would also have reports of problems directly form end users should it not? Rather quickly after an update release based on the way any glitches are almost instantly reported in this forum and others. I would assume that it would make sense for users to make Apple aware of the problems as well.
Given how smart modern technology can be these days with Apple perhaps leading the way there it should be quite easy for them to analyze and report publicly about possible concerns people are experiencing after each and every update - especially major OS updates. They are, presumably, doing analysis themselves about where the problems lie. How difficult would it be for a technology leader to gather that information and present it in a more or less real time feed, product by product, for their loyal client base?
Would that not save billions of wasted hours and wasted energy for people floundering around trying to understand why something that used to work no longer does?
Is that really too much to expect?
Bear in mind that any problems that directly stem from release of an operating system update are unlikely to be caused directly by third party developers. Much more likely that the problem stems form a change to the OS contained in the update. Presumably the expertise for that new development lies with the provider of the development rather than some poor unfortunate third party trying to understand the implications of anything new for which technical information may have been released (or not) and how it might affect their code.
In that sense your first paragraph seems make some assumptions that probably don't match the reality of the way things really work.
If you look back over history just within the Photo editing world you will probably find threads about extended problems getting printers to work after upgrades (repeated over several years back in the 00s notably for Epson printers - the most popular at the time). More recently driver for newly launched GPU's in standard Mac configurations seemed to require some fixing before they would work correctly. Then there is the question of what is actually released compared to what developers might be led to expect would be released based on the beta programmes.
You cannot, in any current commercially available computer environment that I am aware of, uncouple the applications from the the Operating Systems and the hardware/firmware combinations that are offered and updated from time to time.
Just my opinion of course.
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I posted this before and do it again: CO8 is more Yosemite compatible then Yosemite is itself.
The problem I have with OS X 10.10 are not related to Capture One, but there are still some nagging issues with 10.10 and the monitor calibration software I use is not yet available for the new OS. I hope 10.10.2 will bring the needed improvements.0 -
If your problems are USB bus power related issues, this hub/repeater solves that and other similar problems. It works either self powered via the USB bus or with an external power supply (for when you have several peripherals attached at the same time).
http://www.nine-volt.com/product/usb-3- ... peaterhub/0
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