Sharpness not holding from viewer to output
Im really trying to figure this out and was hoping that someone from phase one at least could offer some help as to why when viewing my raw images in c1 4 pro, they look great, nice and sharp and just the way I like, and then when I process the Tiff and open it in photoshop CS4, the sharpness is gone. COmpletely softer than what I was seeing a moment ago in the viewer in C1. Im on 4.8 trial and Im processing CR2 files from either Canon 1ds mk3, 1d mk3, or 5d. using no compression on output, do nto have sharpening disabled, and they are 8 bit. Anyone please? I know I posted this before, but never got a conclusive answer. Its really a tease on how great they look in C1 and then I get all excited and think im not going to have to spend a slot of time sharpening them then I get over to PS and am like , awwwww crap! everything wlse holds great, the tone color, etc.
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2 things that I would check on:
1. Make sure the "Sharpening - Disable" box in the Output panel is not selected.
2. Check to make sure the ICC profile in Process Recipe selected for output is the same one as the View->Proof Profile0 -
@Henry: see also OP thread with same topic viewtopic.php?p=30386#p30386
@garibaldi: IMHO it is a OS X and CS4 related problem, not a CO4 problem. However, for a direct response from Phase One, you could best open support case and copy the response in a posting here for us to learn and enjoy.
My last effort in this field revealed that I can reproduce the problem with OS X 10.5.7 / Intel Mac / CS4, but not on OS X 10.5.6 / PowerMac G5 / CS4 with the same TIFFs created with CO 4.8.1 on the Intel Mac mentioned.0 -
Cool, hey thank you so much, I will submit a support ticket. That stinks though, its like who do you go to for a solution, apple? Phase one? and even so, I doub anythign is going to be done about it. I do not have the disable sharpenign checked , and I looked at my profiles, they match and are set to adobe 1998. ugh theres always somethign huh? 0 -
I experience the same problem on Windows Vista and Capture One 4.1.2.20146.19940 - basically sharpening is not preserved to output files, whether they are TIFF or JPEG. 0 -
[quote="Bolek" wrote:
I experience the same problem on Windows Vista and Capture One 4.1.2.20146.19940 - basically sharpening is not preserved to output files, whether they are TIFF or JPEG.
Solved issue. Should be fine now (when you update).0 -
update what C1 or update Leopard? 0 -
[quote="garibaldi" wrote:
update what C1 or update Leopard?
Capture One. User Bolek was running 4.1.x. Different problem from what you have.0 -
its current, im on 4.8.1 0 -
I am having exactly the same problem and I am still on C1 4.6.3 with MacOSX 10.5.6. I have tried 4.8.1 but it is exactly the same. Sharpness is completely lost when opening processed TIFF's both in Apple's viewer and in Aperture. 0 -
Well (or better not...) we've got the same problem, on Mac OSX 10.5.7 an Windows XP Machines with C1 4.8.1 sharpening is lost by exporting RAW files into Tiff or jpeg.
Hope for a solution in THE next version of C1!
Fotowerkstatt0 -
I have been in contact with support (USA) on this matter and have some good news. Let me first of all say that I have received excellent and very quick response from the support staff!
This is the main part of the replies I received:
"Thank you for the files, I have looked them over and the sharpness is the same, however I believe I can explain what you are seeing. First it is important to compare the output to the original at 100% in both programs. this way you are comparing pixel to pixel. The problem I believe you are seeing is that you are viewing downsampled images. When you view an image smaller than 100% view Capture One and preview or aperture handle the size change differently. Preview for instance is combining pixels of the final image together when you make it smaller, this will result in the sharpness appearing to be less than the file actually is. Capture One on the other hand is generating a new preview from the Raw file specifically to the size it is being viewed. Then it will sharpen it to match the out put level. This is done to give you an accurate view of what the image will look like if you were to process it out at a size smaller than 100%. For instance if you were out puttin to 50% size, you could zoom to the 50% view in capture one and it would display accurate sharpness. Also this allows the previews at "to fit" size to give an accurate "idea" of the overal final sharpness of the full size image."
It was then suggested that I do not process files at 100% but rather try to match the pixel size of the processed file to the pixel size of the consequent program I will use to view the file. In my case this is Aperture's slideshow program and processing the files at 39% gives the best result and a marked improvement, so much that I can hardly see any difference between the file viewed in C1 and in Aperture. This works well with both TIFF files and with JPG at highest quality.
Cheers, Bob.0 -
To all posters in this thread (and other readers 😉),
I was able to solve the lack-of-sharpness-in-CS4 problem as discussed here:
viewtopic.php?p=30869#p30869
Key is switching off the OpenGL setting (Performance Preference) which is new in CS4. Not all video hardware appears to be compatible with it.0 -
For 5dmk2 users who may see lack of sharpness, the following may be helpful. This info came from Phase One tech support.
I beleive what you are seeing is a simple consiquence of the up-ressing that is taking place. The Canon RAW files you are using are only 14 bit, in the process recipe you are using there is adjustment made to accomidate a 16 bit Tiff file. Since the raw can only account for 16,384 bits of information and the output process demands 65,536 bits of information, the loss in contrast and sharpness can be attributed to this adjustment.
If you adjust your output to 8 bit, I think you will see a much improved correlation to the Capture One Preview and the Processed file.0
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