Monitor profile to use after Calibration
(Using C1 Pro on Win XP)
After I have calibrated my screen with a \"Spyder\" (Pantone ColorVision) I get a message from C1 when launching the program that says:
\"Capture One is currently setup (sic) to use a Monitor Profile which is different than the System Monitor Profile. [...] it is recommended to use the System Monitor Profile. Do you wish to make Capture One use the System Profile now? Yes/No\"
What is the appropriate thing to do?
I would assume that calibrating the monitor (with Spyder or a similar tool) should set the system to use an optimal profile. I have saved this profile under a name like \"ColorVision Profile 050221\" or similar. Why would then C1 suggest that I change back to an \"uncalibrated\" monitor profile?
It seems to me that the right thing to do is choose \"no\" so that the ColorVisioin profile is used and not the uncalibrated System Profile. Is this the correct thing to do?
If it is, why does not C1 automatically detect that I have a calibrated profile?
(Or am I totally mistaken? - maybe what C1 calls the \"System Profile\" is actually my new calibrated profile and that I should therefore choose yes?!)
After I have calibrated my screen with a \"Spyder\" (Pantone ColorVision) I get a message from C1 when launching the program that says:
\"Capture One is currently setup (sic) to use a Monitor Profile which is different than the System Monitor Profile. [...] it is recommended to use the System Monitor Profile. Do you wish to make Capture One use the System Profile now? Yes/No\"
What is the appropriate thing to do?
I would assume that calibrating the monitor (with Spyder or a similar tool) should set the system to use an optimal profile. I have saved this profile under a name like \"ColorVision Profile 050221\" or similar. Why would then C1 suggest that I change back to an \"uncalibrated\" monitor profile?
It seems to me that the right thing to do is choose \"no\" so that the ColorVisioin profile is used and not the uncalibrated System Profile. Is this the correct thing to do?
If it is, why does not C1 automatically detect that I have a calibrated profile?
(Or am I totally mistaken? - maybe what C1 calls the \"System Profile\" is actually my new calibrated profile and that I should therefore choose yes?!)
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Hi Per
Except that I use EyeOne from GreytagMacbeth, what happens when I calibrate is that the EyeOne software automatically replaces the former System Monitor Profile.
Consequently, (and assuming that Spyder works in the same way) the appropriate thing would be to go for \"Yes\".
I always label my calibrated profile with initals and date to be sure that the right one is chosen.
Under Color Management Settings you can see the monitor profile currently selected.
Regards Michael0 -
You should choose NO. Selecting Yes, Capture One will default to system calibration unless you change this setting.
Under Workflow pulldown > Color Management Settings, check to see what the Monitor profile is set at. You may need to check the Unlock Monitor profile selection menu in order to get at your calibration of \"ColorVision Profile 050221\"
Sincerely,
kdc0 -
Hi Keith
(Sorry Per if I did point you in the wrong direction)
I don't quite get it.
1. One calibrates one's screen to ensure that color reproduction is genuine and create a profile from the values measured. To ensure that the display uses this new profile, the system default profile must be replaced. Right?
2. After you created such a profile, C1 detects that a new one has been created and ask you if you want to use this. As this is supposed to be the one ensuring correct color rendition, to me, it would be obvious to select YES.
3. Afterwards, I check in Color Management Settings that the new calibrated profile is actually chosen.
If I am wrong, please explain in greater detail why you should choose NO and select your profile manually by unlocking the monitor profile.
I am really at a loss now - just thought I had gotten it right.
Regards Michael0 -
Michael, Keith,
Thanks for your advice. I kind of agree with Michael but think Keith is actually right...
This is what I can empirically tell happens:
1. I calibrate my monitor with Photocal Spyder and create a calibrated monitor profile that I name Photocal+date
2. Photocal sets the system up so that my computer (monitor) uses the calibrated profile. I am not sure where this setting is done but I can tell it is since at startup there is a Photocal app that runs and changes the monitor profile (it visibly changes the screen appearance).
- - So now I have a good calibrated profile that the system uses.
3. I launch C1 and get the question System Profile Yes/No
A --> If I chose \"Yes\" C1 sets Colour Management Settings to:
- Monitor Profile: Adobe RGB (1998)
- Proof Destination: Phtocal+date (=my calibrated profile). (I am not sure what good this setting does actually. Might need to check the manual...)
B --> If I chose 'No' C1 does this:
- Monitor Profile: Phtocal+dat (=my calibrated profile).
It seems to me that B is the way it should be, i.e. that C1 uses my calibrated monitor profile. (Which is what Keith indicated)
But it also seems to me that C1 should be intelligent enough to recognise that I have created a calibrated profile for the monitor and pick that up as the default profile (or at least not ask me every single time (....) when I launch C1 if I want to use my old uncalibrated system profile). Maybe an improvement for a future release? Does noone else find that question annoying or is noone else using a calibrated profile... 😉0 -
Michael, no need to ever apologize for trying to assist others. My philosophy is that the best way for all to learn is to put our heads together and share ideas and experiences. This afterall, is the basis of Science.
Thanks to your inputs, I believe I have sorted this out and we’re All correct.
\"Capture One is currently setup (sic) to use a Monitor Profile which is different than the System Monitor Profile. [...] it is recommended to use the System Monitor Profile. Do you wish to make Capture One use the System Profile now? Yes/No\"
Yes or No responses to that particular window may be chosen at different times by some studios that have multiple profiles. Profiles exist for various output devices i.e. web display, in-studio printers, or professional lab.
The Warning regarding monitor profile will only come up if there is a mismatch between what is selected in Capture One’s Color Management and your system default profile. Therefore, when you create your Pantone, be sure to load it as your default monitor profile. Right click on Desktop > Properties > Display Properties, Settings tab, Advanced button, and Color Management tab. There you can Select or Add your profile and then Set As Default. Now when you launch Capture One, the mismatch warning should not come up. Per says his Optical launches and changes monitor color, but my guess is that is does not switch the default setting. Michael states that EyeOne switches this automatically, that is a good feature. It may well be that Pantone provides that same choice upon saving.
Proof Destination choices would depend on what you want to do. If you are printing proofs yourself, you would select the profile for the printer used. If sending to lab you would use the specific lab profile or just select Adobe RGB (1998) or sRGB.
Hope this clarifies the issue and helps everyone. 😂
Sincerely,
kdc0 -
Keith,
Thaks for clarifying this! Very helpful.
An additional detail:
Pantone PhotoCal does not set the Defaul Monitor Profile to be the one that it creates in calibration. When I check it (as you suggest) it is in fact still Adobe RGB 1998. However, PhotoCal launches a colour calibration program at startup (it's in the Startup folder) that changes the current colour settings to the latest calibrated profile. You can easily see this: at startup there's a PhotoCal splash screen that pops up and the colour and brightness is visibly different before and after that splash screen (execution of the program). But it does not change the default monitor profil.
I guess it would have been more elegant if PhotoCal did also change the default monitor profile (like, it seems, EyeOne does).
It seems that we achieve the same thing but in different ways. It is also clear now why C1 asks that question, that seemed unneccesary to me but is not. Thanks both for helping clarifying this.0 -
To simplify matters, your C1 must have the same Calibrated Monitor Profile as your System Profile which is using the Calibrated Monitor Profile also. They should both match !
In case you chose the wrong option, you can always change it & go to C1 color management settings & check the \"unlock monitor profile\" so you can look for the calibrated profile that your monitor profiler made & use it.
Its a built-in feature of C1 to avoid monitor profile mismatch between what the Operating System is using & what the C1 software is set to use under color management. 💡0 -
[quote="Per K" wrote:
Pantone PhotoCal does not set the Defaul Monitor Profile to be the one that it creates in calibration.
My old copy of PhotoCal definitely does change the default profile to the newly created profile. I understand this to be the proper behavior. Maybe they've changed it? 😕0 -
Or maybe it depends on the monitor controller SW.
After calibration I have to go to Properties>Settings>Advanced>Color Management and add the new profile to the list and then set it as default.
(On a similar subject: I also wonder if one should set the monitor colour profile somewhere in Photoshop CS2? I have not found anywhere in Photoshop to do this (e.g. there is no such setting in Colour Settings) so presumably you do no need to set it in Photoshop.)0 -
[quote="Per K" wrote:
Or maybe it depends on the monitor controller SW.
After calibration I have to go to Properties>Settings>Advanced>Color Management and add the new profile to the list and then set it as default.
(On a similar subject: I also wonder if one should set the monitor colour profile somewhere in Photoshop CS2? I have not found anywhere in Photoshop to do this (e.g. there is no such setting in Colour Settings) so presumably you do no need to set it in Photoshop.)
I think it depends on your monitor profiler, mine does automatically use the latest profile you just made after calibration- it's cool.
As for CS2 having a feature to chose monitor profile like choosing in a PC, I guess it does not have that feature... only the proofing where you can chose to use your monitor profile but I duno' if when it should be used. So maybe by default the CS2 is automatically using whatever Montior Profile is used presently by your PC SYSTEM.0
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