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very silly questions: upgrade strategy on subscription

Peter Wijn
Hi there,
After problems last years with version 8 and NEF's and with 9.1 which filled up memory of 8GB RAM in like 5 photos, I made the step in September... and I am very happy with version 9.3 on a subscription. Love the ease of use after understanding that 5200 Kelvin can be quite different over the different programs. Also, the video's help a lot in finding the fastest way to find the image in the photo's you are looking for.

Silly questions:
1) Can I install both, what does this to my activation codes (2), should I uninstall or deactivate version 9 first?

2) Is there a reference to some advisable upgrade strategy for sessions (and catalogues)? Can I continue to work in an existing session (after making a back-up). Or doesn't it matter, and can I use any session to address the edits of my photos in COP. (being aware of only upwards compatibility).
(At the moment I don't use the sessions or catalogue, I use it as raw-convertor only, next to the database of ID-imager version 2.2. I still have to find a strategy to replace the files to a final destination. The processing is on SSD, the storage on an ordinary hard-disk).

(I am still working on a quite large set of photos from June 2016 in Iceland, and I sometimes get back to photos I already processed to correct things.)

Thank you.
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  • Ian Wilson
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    If you have a session that you created in v9 (or earlier), then the first time you open it with v10, it will tell you that it has to update the session format to v10. It keeps a backup of the old (v9 format) session file, but it is wise to have done a backup with time machine or your backup method of choice before you start. You can continue to work on old photos in the new format session. It doesn't change the processing of the existing images unless you opt to convert an individual image to the new processing engine. If you want to try the new processing engine on an old image it is a good idea to create a new variant, or to clone the existing variant. That way, you still have the image the way it was before you started doing stuff to it using the new engine. If you have images you have already processed and you are happy with them, then opening the session in v10 will do them no harm, but updating the processing engine on an individual image could change its appearance, because some things (like highlight recovery, for example) may work differently under the new engine. So don't mess with existing images you are happy with without cloning the variant first.

    If you upgrade an old session to v10, you won't be able to open it with v9 of the app. Which is why it is important to have a backup of the old session file.

    I am not using a subscription so I can't answer your question about activation, I'm afraid.

    Ian
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  • SFA
    Hello Peter,

    For 1) - Yes, a new activation code also covers the use of older versions should you wish to use them.

    For 2) - All recent versions and releases have, as far as I am aware, segregated their "Settings" folders and most other things that are version related. You may need to watch out for things like Windows "recent" files lists and any similar but within C1 things should be OK so far as I am aware. Just remember that any new edits will not be automatically carried back to the previous edit files even if the functionality is compatible. So the older stuff is frozen at the point of last use.

    HOWEVER

    You will be using at least on session (or catalogue) even if you are not using it like a session is capable of being used.

    How best to set things up so that you could, should you wish, open either V10 or V9 and work with the session as you last left it is something I should probably check in more detail before offering further suggestions. What I do may not quite be the same result if you have things set up differently.


    Grant
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  • Peter Wijn
    Thanks very much, Grant and Ian. I think I understand what you say.

    Perhaps best to wait a few weeks, checking this forum for tricks and hiccups.
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  • SFA
    [quote="Peter Wijn" wrote:
    Thanks very much, Grant and Ian. I think I understand what you say.

    Perhaps best to wait a few weeks, checking this forum for tricks and hiccups.


    If you have no urgent need to upgrade that is always a sensible idea.

    It's pretty much impossible to get anywhere close to a guarantee that nothing will cause problem when releasing new code. In the modern world, and especially the world of PCs, the possible number of variables across hardware and software and windows versions and so on is so enormous that it is unlikely that all problems can be eliminated with certainty.

    That said I get the impression that the world of PCs and Windows somehow deals with that better the highly controlled world of Macs - but that may be a false impression.

    What you can do of course is download the V10 program, install it in its own folder and run is as a trial.

    In your situation You would simply need to create a new session (with a suitably identifiable name I would suggest) and NOT upgrade your existing session.

    Then maybe copy some of your existing files into a new folder (to avoid any possible fears of "contaminating" the V9 work) and try things out.

    If you copied a folder of images ( do you have multiple folder or is everything in one?) somewhere fresh as well, making sure to include the Capture One and Settings subfolders, you would have a known set of previously edits images to work with and compare results.

    There are several ways to get to that point using different approaches but I think the completely separate folder approach make the most sense for the situation you have described.

    The trial allows for 30 days of use as you probably know. If happy with what you see there is no need to repeat the installation you can just activate what is already installed.

    WARNING: I am assuming that this approach is possible with a subscription licence. I see no reason why that should not be the case and no reason why the licence would not also still cover use of older versions just as the non-subscription approach does. However it would make sense to double check that rather than just accept my comments.

    It may already have been answered somewhere in the forum but I can't be sure that it has.

    For what it's worth it seem that the "agile development" approach taken by most software developer these days includes an assumption that some things may slip through the testing net before release - sometimes immediately before with no time to fix before announcement. They therefore anticipate a likely early update within a few weeks of availability. This of course is more readily possible when software is downloaded compared to the old days of disk manufacture and boxed packages!

    From that point of view a test installation with the code as released and then possibly await a 10.0.1 release before changing to the new version completely MAY make some sense if you find anything of concern.

    However the forum, though it will tend to throw thinks into a more negative light than is justified in reality, is, in my opinion, a good measure of how things are.

    If nobody comes up with anything that worries you in the first week or two FOR YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM VERSION then the chances are you won't find anything of concern unless you are really unlucky with some hardware/firmware/software combinations used by your computer.

    HTH.

    Grant
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  • Peter Wijn
    excellent reply Grant,
    thanks very much

    I think I'll finish my work on Iceland first, also a bit to get it consistent, and do the testing after that.
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