Delete Key Woe
I just downloaded Ver. 10. Even though I've had Ver 9 for a while I'm not a power user. BTW, I have Sony Pro.
I haven't established any catalogs or sessions, etc. I just import what I want and then after the save I generally delete the file using the delete key that only deletes the file from Capture One's program not my hard drive.
I thought I was doing that with Capture One 10 but much to my chagrin I'm actually deleting the files from my HD as well.
There are two deletes in the file menu, I am selecting the one that says I'm removing it from the session not the HD.
Is there anyway to get these files back and what am I doing incorrectly?
I haven't established any catalogs or sessions, etc. I just import what I want and then after the save I generally delete the file using the delete key that only deletes the file from Capture One's program not my hard drive.
I thought I was doing that with Capture One 10 but much to my chagrin I'm actually deleting the files from my HD as well.
There are two deletes in the file menu, I am selecting the one that says I'm removing it from the session not the HD.
Is there anyway to get these files back and what am I doing incorrectly?
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Did you ever get an answer on this?
I respectfully think that the problem you're running into is a function of your import methods. I'm not confident that I understand how you're importing; but I've found that C1 success stems from 2 things:
establish a rock-solid import process.
NEVER move/delete/screw with files outside of C1; just do it while in C1 (you can do it; but that's after you have a good understanding of where files are located and associated).
Sessions are cool - after import, you can scrub each image and keystroke "D" to delete images out of the Capture file and into the trash. it Stays in trash until you clear it out.
I highly recommend watching the "getting started" webinar; NOT the tutorial. The tutorial is great; but the webinar really gets to the grainy details of importing.
Good luck. let me know if you resolve the issue; I can help further if necessary.
Andrew0 -
And I think that my import workflow is the best import protocol you can get in C1! 0 -
[quote="bennettandyp" wrote:
Did you ever get an answer on this?
I respectfully think that the problem you're running into is a function of your import methods. I'm not confident that I understand how you're importing; but I've found that C1 success stems from 2 things:
establish a rock-solid import process.
NEVER move/delete/screw with files outside of C1; just do it while in C1 (you can do it; but that's after you have a good understanding of where files are located and associated).
Sessions are cool - after import, you can scrub each image and keystroke "D" to delete images out of the Capture file and into the trash. it Stays in trash until you clear it out.
I highly recommend watching the "getting started" webinar; NOT the tutorial. The tutorial is great; but the webinar really gets to the grainy details of importing.
Good luck. let me know if you resolve the issue; I can help further if necessary.
Andrew
Thanks for responding Andrew. I've sent in a support ticket to see what I may be doing wrong or if there is a glitch in my download. BTW, I have the Sony Pro program for C1-10.
I usually use the "Import" from the file menu. I've yet to establish a catalog or session format. I normally keep everything on my hard drive according to Year, Month, and event. It's worked for me and I'm not a professional so I tend to keep my files KISS. I've never had this problem with C1-9.
BTW, I'm originally from New Haven.0 -
[quote="fotoman" wrote:
[quote="bennettandyp" wrote:
Did you ever get an answer on this?
I respectfully think that the problem you're running into is a function of your import methods. I'm not confident that I understand how you're importing; but I've found that C1 success stems from 2 things:
establish a rock-solid import process.
NEVER move/delete/screw with files outside of C1; just do it while in C1 (you can do it; but that's after you have a good understanding of where files are located and associated).
Sessions are cool - after import, you can scrub each image and keystroke "D" to delete images out of the Capture file and into the trash. it Stays in trash until you clear it out.
I highly recommend watching the "getting started" webinar; NOT the tutorial. The tutorial is great; but the webinar really gets to the grainy details of importing.
Good luck. let me know if you resolve the issue; I can help further if necessary.
Andrew
Thanks for responding Andrew. I've sent in a support ticket to see what I may be doing wrong or if there is a glitch in my download. BTW, I have the Sony Pro program for C1-10.
I usually use the "Import" from the file menu. I've yet to establish a catalog or session format. I normally keep everything on my hard drive according to Year, Month, and event. It's worked for me and I'm not a professional so I tend to keep my files KISS. I've never had this problem with C1-9.
BTW, I'm originally from New Haven.
fotoman,
There is only one download of the software. The licence key controls functionality and version.
You will be using a structure that relates to either a Catalog or a Session even if you don't use the full set of features.
Using the drop down menu options "Delete" will move the file (and any edits) to the "Trash" folder.
In a session this Trash will usually be part of the Session folder structure set by default when the session is created. However it is possible to change the "Trash" to be linked to any folder you wish it to be linked to.
Delete Permanently will make deletion more permanent.
If you are running a session (though you don't think of it in those terms) and opening a file by navigating to the folder that contains the file using the Library tool C1 will recognise all image files in that folder. If that is the folder you copied to from the camera or a card using Windows then it will likely be the only folder containing that image file (unless you have also backed up to another location).
If you delete it via the session (rather than via the Windows delete function) it will be moved to the Trash folder in the session.
"Delete Permanently" will remove it and its edit files/preview/etc. from the disk.
As far as I know nothing has changed in the respect between V9 and V10.
If you are still puzzled we maybe need to read a step by step description of what you did.
Personally I always make sure to have at least one backup folder, preferably on a different physical disk, just in case something goes wrong or I change my mind.
HTH.
Grant0 -
I've been nailed by that Delete key too. No warning, no confirmation, just... boom. 0 -
[quote="NN635790973675498599UL" wrote:
I've been nailed by that Delete key too. No warning, no confirmation, just... boom.
Which delete key?
Or rather, the "Delete Key" or, as fotoman seems to be indicating, the Delete option from the Menu?
Grant0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
[quote="fotoman" wrote:
[quote="bennettandyp" wrote:
Did you ever get an answer on this?
I respectfully think that the problem you're running into is a function of your import methods. I'm not confident that I understand how you're importing; but I've found that C1 success stems from 2 things:
establish a rock-solid import process.
NEVER move/delete/screw with files outside of C1; just do it while in C1 (you can do it; but that's after you have a good understanding of where files are located and associated).
Sessions are cool - after import, you can scrub each image and keystroke "D" to delete images out of the Capture file and into the trash. it Stays in trash until you clear it out.
I highly recommend watching the "getting started" webinar; NOT the tutorial. The tutorial is great; but the webinar really gets to the grainy details of importing.
Good luck. let me know if you resolve the issue; I can help further if necessary.
Andrew
Thanks for responding Andrew. I've sent in a support ticket to see what I may be doing wrong or if there is a glitch in my download. BTW, I have the Sony Pro program for C1-10.
I usually use the "Import" from the file menu. I've yet to establish a catalog or session format. I normally keep everything on my hard drive according to Year, Month, and event. It's worked for me and I'm not a professional so I tend to keep my files KISS. I've never had this problem with C1-9.
BTW, I'm originally from New Haven.
fotoman,
There is only one download of the software. The licence key controls functionality and version.
You will be using a structure that relates to either a Catalog or a Session even if you don't use the full set of features.
Using the drop down menu options "Delete" will move the file (and any edits) to the "Trash" folder.
In a session this Trash will usually be part of the Session folder structure set by default when the session is created. However it is possible to change the "Trash" to be linked to any folder you wish it to be linked to.
Delete Permanently will make deletion more permanent.
If you are running a session (though you don't think of it in those terms) and opening a file by navigating to the folder that contains the file using the Library tool C1 will recognise all image files in that folder. If that is the folder you copied to from the camera or a card using Windows then it will likely be the only folder containing that image file (unless you have also backed up to another location).
If you delete it via the session (rather than via the Windows delete function) it will be moved to the Trash folder in the session.
"Delete Permanently" will remove it and its edit files/preview/etc. from the disk.
As far as I know nothing has changed in the respect between V9 and V10.
If you are still puzzled we maybe need to read a step by step description of what you did.
Personally I always make sure to have at least one backup folder, preferably on a different physical disk, just in case something goes wrong or I change my mind.
HTH.
Grant
Grant, I will PM you a copy of the delete I see when I want to clear a session. Never in the past has the program deleted the files off my HD.
Harry0 -
System is not letting me send you a PM or attaching a photo to my thread. 0 -
[quote="fotoman" wrote:
System is not letting me send you a PM or attaching a photo to my thread.
The forum is not set to support PMs or host photos.
However you can host an image file somewhere else and link to it.
See the tabs at the top of the message edit window (Img and URL)
Grant0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
[quote="fotoman" wrote:
System is not letting me send you a PM or attaching a photo to my thread.
The forum is not set to support PMs or host photos.
However you can host an image file somewhere else and link to it.
See the tabs at the top of the message edit window (Img and URL)
Grant
Let's see if this works.0 -
Yep, that works fine.
So do you click "Remove Reference" or "Delete"?
I assume you are using a Referenced file in this case not a Managed file?
( A seasoned Catalogue user will probably know automatically - but I hardly ever look at catalogues.)
Which question, thinking back, raises a different point in that originally you mentioned not using catalogues or sessions (and I pointed out that you will be using one or the other anyway assuming it was probably a session - you can in effect readily use a session without knowing you are using a session.)
However this screen indicates that you are using a catalogue ...
I wonder if this is different after you installed V10 and hence some potential confusion.
Just a guess but a point that would be useful to clarify and eliminate before diving in much further.
Grant0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
Yep, that works fine.
So do you click "Remove Reference" or "Delete"?
I assume you are using a Referenced file in this case not a Managed file?
( A seasoned Catalogue user will probably know automatically - but I hardly ever look at catalogues.)
Which question, thinking back, raises a different point in that originally you mentioned not using catalogues or sessions (and I pointed out that you will be using one or the other anyway assuming it was probably a session - you can in effect readily use a session without knowing you are using a session.)
However this screen indicates that you are using a catalogue ...
I wonder if this is different after you installed V10 and hence some potential confusion.
Just a guess but a point that would be useful to clarify and eliminate before diving in much further.
Grant
Grant, I click on delete. I've never knowingly tried to create a catalog or session.0 -
[quote="fotoman" wrote:
[quote="SFA" wrote:
Yep, that works fine.
So do you click "Remove Reference" or "Delete"?
I assume you are using a Referenced file in this case not a Managed file?
( A seasoned Catalogue user will probably know automatically - but I hardly ever look at catalogues.)
Which question, thinking back, raises a different point in that originally you mentioned not using catalogues or sessions (and I pointed out that you will be using one or the other anyway assuming it was probably a session - you can in effect readily use a session without knowing you are using a session.)
However this screen indicates that you are using a catalogue ...
I wonder if this is different after you installed V10 and hence some potential confusion.
Just a guess but a point that would be useful to clarify and eliminate before diving in much further.
Grant
Grant, I click on delete. I've never knowingly tried to create a catalog or session.
OK, let's look at the terminology here.
Firstly C1 will always want to use a structure that is either a Catalogue or a Session with the intention of providing the user with continuity. It has to have one or the other on which to base what it does - but you can choose, unknown to you, to avail yourself of the facility and then leave it cleaned up.
Most people wish to keep their work and any changes for posterity so they do. A few maybe just use C1 to interpret a RAW file and then do everything else in another application.
There are 2 ways to work with a Catalogue.
Import the file INTO the catalogue data structure (A MANAGED catalog) or leave the original file where it is and REFERENCE it in the catalogue.
If you are using a REFERENCED catalogue (which I think you are even if you don't know it) the file is not exclusively OWNED by the catalogue - so when you come to delete the system has to ask you if you want to delete only the information in the catalogue (edit instructions, preview file, thumbnail, keywords, that sort of thing) or if you want to get rid of the original file as well.
As I said before I don't use catalogues so I am not familiar with the screen in the screen shot but I would suggest that the text indicates that "Remove Reference" takes everything out of the catalogue database but leaves the original file where it is.
Delete will clear the catalogue AND DELETE THE REFERENCED IMAGE FILE.
You can easily test this of course - just make sure you have a safe copy of the image file somewhere before you hit the Delete button!
I hope this helps.
Grant0 -
Thanks for all the input, Grant. I really appreciate your assistance.
When I look under file delete, there are two delete functions. In C1-9 one was permanent and the other just deleted the file from the session/catalog but not the hard drive. I reviewed both delete functions and they both say the same thing in C-1-10.
So, I guess the better question is how do I close a file from C-1-10 without using a delete button? In Photoshop Elements I simply hit Close and make a determination as to whether or not I want to save the file. In C-1-10 the Close command operates just like the Exit command.
Thanks again for the help.
Harry0 -
Harry,
In C1 all of your edit work (with almost no exceptions but there are a few that are logical - i.e. the way the Keystone tool works for one) is automatically saved after every action. The edit instruction files are constantly updated and written. No need to close anything. (Unless you are shutting down Capture One.) Just move form one image to the next.
I get the impression that you may be on a workflow path that almost entirely misses all of the benefits that Capture One offers.
What did you do using Version 9? Did that work for you?
Other than a slight revision for the position of the various windows in the Main Screen Workspace default and a few menu icon position tweaks nothing much has changed for the basics. If you are seeing something very significantly different it would be a good time to find out why.
Do you only work with .jpg files produced by your camera?
Grant0 -
[quote="SFA" wrote:
Harry,
In C1 all of your edit work (with almost no exceptions but there are a few that are logical - i.e. the way the Keystone tool works for one) is automatically saved after every action. The edit instruction files are constantly updated and written. No need to close anything. (Unless you are shutting down Capture One.) Just move form one image to the next.
I get the impression that you may be on a workflow path that almost entirely misses all of the benefits that Capture One offers.
What did you do using Version 9? Did that work for you?
Other than a slight revision for the position of the various windows in the Main Screen Workspace default and a few menu icon position tweaks nothing much has changed for the basics. If you are seeing something very significantly different it would be a good time to find out why.
Do you only work with .jpg files produced by your camera?
Grant
Hello Grant:
I'm just now seeing this post. Ver 9 worked fine for me just the way I have been describing it. At the work screen I hit the import icon, load in my raw files, work on them, export the variants to my hard drive in a sub-folder to the main folder marked TIFF. I then use the first delete option in the File menu which in Ver. 9 deleted them from Cap One 9 but not my hard drive.
I always work with Raw files.
Here is something I wasn't aware of that I will be cognizant of going forward. When you do an Import at the bottom of the Import Screen are some options that should not be enabled to prevent loss of files. Luckily, they have not been enabled for me heretofore.
I've been working with the Support Group but they are having a hard time believing that I don't create Catalogs or Sessions, telling me it's impossible to work in Cap One unless I do so.
I must be an enigma in some way then.
Thanks again for trying to help me out.0 -
Harry,
You will be working within either a Session or a Catalog work area whether you know it or not.
It is perfectly possible to work within a session whilst avoiding the use of any (or certainly most) of the session functionality if you wish to. But then there is also little point (a few exceptions perhaps) in using the Import process if you are intending to bin the edits anyway.
I don't use catalogs but I would imagine you can work as you do in a catalog too - although there I think you are forced to Import since it makes no sense not to given it's meant to offer a cataloguing facility.
If you look at the list of available drop down menus at the top of the screen and then click on the "Window" tab at the bottom of the options that appear you will the name of the session or catalog that Capture One knows that you are working within. (More than one is possible).
Using WINDOWS machines and SESSIONS the first DELETE from the FILE drop down menu should work as intended and move the file to the Trash bin in the session. That won't help you unless you are indeed using a session.
If, however, you use the Delete key on your keyboard (and there may be more than one) the file does indeed end up deleted rather than moved to the Trash (from where the original file and edits can be recovered in a session work flow. I can't comment on catalogs.) . That the Delete key works directly like that when the equivalent Delete (selected from the drop down menu) does not suggests that something is not quite as it should be when using the Key - but that is a different matter unless you are working within a session structure and you did happen to use the keyboard rather then the menu option.
HTH.
Grant
I don't recall seeing the message on your screenshot before so I suspect you have a catalog running. This may be different to what you had in V9?0 -
Well, I finally got this issue resolved. Margaret, from the Support Group, got me all straightened out. In Pro-10 when you use the file/delete function you have to hit the Remove Reference button not the Delete option.
I was really impressed with the support group and I'm glad they were there to help.0 -
[quote="fotoman" wrote:
Well, I finally got this issue resolved. Margaret, from the Support Group, got me all straightened out. In Pro-10 when you use the file/delete function you have to hit the Remove Reference button not the Delete option.
I was really impressed with the support group and I'm glad they were there to help.
I've upgraded to Cap 10.0.02 and noticed that the function in the Delete menu for choosing delete or Remove Reference is no longer there. So once again I have two Delete functions and I'm wary of trying to use either one of them. Is there a way to close out a session without using a delete key of any kind?0 -
[quote="fotoman" wrote:
Is there a way to close out a session without using a delete key of any kind?
In sessions, Delete files from a session places files in the Session Trash Folder, where they can be deleted or retrieved.
Unlike Catalog where they can be 'removed' from the Catalog or 'deleted' from the disk, not moved to the system trash.0
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