Annotations layer PSD file size.
Annotations is a great idea. I love it. But...
I'm shooting with an A7Rii.
I normally send my retoucher 8 bit ZIP compressed TIFF files. This example file created a 95MB TIFF.
Creating a PSD file without an annotations layer creates a 123MB file.
Adding annotations to a PSD layer created a 416MB PSD.
My annotations for this example file are 6 red circles, that it. How are 6 red circles adding 293MB of data to the file?
PSD files with annotation layers average 400MB.
I have created a recipe that creates quickproof jpegs with annotations and I will continue to send TIFFs.
I can't send 400MB PSD files to my retoucher... Am I doing something wrong?
I'm shooting with an A7Rii.
I normally send my retoucher 8 bit ZIP compressed TIFF files. This example file created a 95MB TIFF.
Creating a PSD file without an annotations layer creates a 123MB file.
Adding annotations to a PSD layer created a 416MB PSD.
My annotations for this example file are 6 red circles, that it. How are 6 red circles adding 293MB of data to the file?
PSD files with annotation layers average 400MB.
I have created a recipe that creates quickproof jpegs with annotations and I will continue to send TIFFs.
I can't send 400MB PSD files to my retoucher... Am I doing something wrong?
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[quote="detroitechno" wrote:
Annotations is a great idea. I love it. But...
I'm shooting with an A7Rii.
I normally send my retoucher 8 bit ZIP compressed TIFF files. This example file created a 95MB TIFF.
Creating a PSD file without an annotations layer creates a 123MB file.
Adding annotations to a PSD layer created a 416MB PSD.
My annotations for this example file are 6 red circles, that it. How are 6 red circles adding 293MB of data to the file?
PSD files with annotation layers average 400MB.
I have created a recipe that creates quickproof jpegs with annotations and I will continue to send TIFFs.
I can't send 400MB PSD files to my retoucher... Am I doing something wrong?
Because PSD's are uncompressed, and the output of outputting annotations as a layer is an additional bitmap-layer, the size does get up there. On the upside, the files are quicker to load and save, because they are not compressed.
I will recommend you to zip your files before sending them to your retoucher. That should take the size down to at least 50 % and likely smaller. Bitmap files are generally quite compressible.0 -
Thanks for the info Christian.
I just drop everything into my FTP. Zipping PSD files won't work for me.
It would seem more logical to add a layer to a TIFF file instead of going back to PSD.
This is not currently an option for TIFF export.
Right now I'm just creating a JPEG with the annotations via a new recipe so they're great to have.
Just wished the layers concept didn't create gigantic files.0 -
I just tested the annotations and I'm confused, too.
In CO, I export an image as PSD 16 bit with 250 MB. With annotation layer it is 1.04 GB
That's more than 4 times the size.
Opening the 250 MB PSD in Photoshop and adding a layer with similar annotations saves 434 MB.
That's less than 2 times the size.
Opening the 250 MB PSD in Affinity Photo and adding a layer with similar annotations saves 445 MB.
That's less than 2 times the size.
I understand that annotations add a pixel payer. But with one background layer plus one extra pixel layer I would expect the size to double (similar to PS and AP), not quadruple.
@Christian,
if you are still reading, maybe you can tell a bit more before I file a support case about it?
BTW, the file size estimation in the process summary doesn't change when ticking export annotations as layer.
Regards,
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Well, just to add to this.
Exporting an image from C1 as a compressed TIFF came to 94MB.
I exported that image with basic annotations from C1 and it came to 407MB.
I then imported it into Photoshop and re-saved it as a TIFF with ZIP image and layer compression and it came to 153MB.
Why is C1 using PSD files when it could compressing the annotations as a layer in a TIFF file?
I'm more than happy to wait the extra time for C1 to compress annotation layers on export.0 -
My PSD behaves similar to your TIFF.
I opened the 1.04 GB PSD in Affinity Photo and exported it with a new name and without changes. The new file size 445 MB, just like the annotated file created with Affinity itself.
Really curious what's going on.
Regards,
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A bit of extra digging with the developers, we have found that Photoshop always seems to compress PSD's, whether you enable or not. That explains the size difference.
We currently do not have the option to compress PSD's, but let's see what the future can bring.0 -
@Detroit
You said: "Zipping PSD files won't work for me."
Why not? On the Mac it's really easy to click on the file, right click and select compress 'filename'
Then just upload the PSD.
It might be a fix while a solution is being worked on by PhaseOne.0 -
[quote="BryceSteiner" wrote:
@Detroit
You said: "Zipping PSD files won't work for me."
Why not? On the Mac it's really easy to click on the file, right click and select compress 'filename'
Then just upload the PSD.
It might be a fix while a solution is being worked on by PhaseOne.
My solution is to export compressed TIFFs as usual and then also export a quickproof jpeg with annotations at the same time. I just drop everything into my FTP and my retoucher grabs them from there.
It's not practical now to zip 30 PSD files that are 4x the size of the usual TIFF to send them to my retoucher just to have the novelty of the annotations on a layer instead of a separate jpeg file.0 -
[quote="Christian Gruner" wrote:
A bit of extra digging with the developers, we have found that Photoshop always seems to compress PSD's, whether you enable or not. That explains the size difference.
We currently do not have the option to compress PSD's, but let's see what the future can bring.
@ Christian,
Thanks a lot for digging into it and sharing this information. Really appreciate your response.
A nice tool not only to pass things on, but also to memorize what's left to do or to explain what has been done.
Regards,
Hans0
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