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Getting inverse color selections to stick?

MikeSp
In a recent PhaseOne Tip entitled "Highlight a selected color with Inverse Color Selections," it discussed how to remove all colors from an image in C1-6 Pro, except for one color, by using the Inverse Color Selection, and color picker in the Color Editor.

This was easy to accomplish as per the directions and it shows up fine on the screen in PS and Qimage as well as Explorer and prints out fine the first time YET WHEN I tried it again, and right clicked Process, when it comes up in PS, all of the colors have returned.

BUT!! The one image that I got the single color to stick when opened with IfranView (my default image viewer) OR when merely included in an email or attached to an email, all of the colors have returned to the image.

What can I do to keep the one color I want and eliminate all of the other colors when emailing the image as an attachment as well as that one color sticking with the rest in B&W when it is processed into PS?

Thanks

MikeSp
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    MikeSP,

    When you process a raw file with adjustments like inverse color selection to a JPEG or TIFF file, I assume that JPEG/TIFF file has the adjustments applied. This is indifferent in which program you view that image. When you view the raw image however, you will see all colors because Capture One does not alter the raw file on adjusting or processing.
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  • MikeSp
    I still cannot get the colors to stick when using the inverse color selections -- obviously am doing something wrong. When I start with a fresh full color image and go to the Color Editor, I see a black circle and nothing in the data box below -- and with the View Selected Color checked, I click on the Color Picker icon and click on the color in the image that I want to keep in the final image.

    Immediately, I see the formerly all black color circle in the Color Editor filled in with muted colors and a small bright triangle indicating the exact color that I have picked (and some dots that I can drag to modify the color selection).

    In the "data box" with the headers of delta H, delta S and Delta V, a single line appears in regard to the color picked.

    When I right click the image to Process or use the Process icon and process the viewed B&W image with the single picked color, it lands in PS as though nothing had been changed in the full color image.

    WHAT am I doing WRONG??? HELP!!! (I guess that I am leaving out some kind of finalizing step) 🙄

    Thanks for any help

    MikeSp
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  • MikeSp
    anyone???

    thanks,

    Mike
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    Mike, I'll try it on a Windows machine myself. What version of Windows are you using, and do you use 32- or 64-bit version of CO6?
    Do other adjustments stick, including with Color Editor, and is it only the inverse color that does not stick?
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  • MikeSp
    [quote="Paul_E" wrote:
    Mike, I'll try it on a Windows machine myself. What version of Windows are you using, and do you use 32- or 64-bit version of CO6?
    Do other adjustments stick, including with Color Editor, and is it only the inverse color that does not stick?


    Other adjustments seem to stick just fine -- am using 32 bit Vista (and everything else in C1-6 Pro seems to work like a dream!!!)

    It just seems that after I make the inverese color (which only shows up when the View box is checked) that it does not stick in the final image although one time out of perhaps 50 tries, it actually did stick and I could not replicate that one time -- as I said, obviously I am not doing something right to "finalize" the image.
    Thanks,

    Mike
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  • Permanently deleted user
    I don't use Pro so I don't know the details of this, but I know that the 'View Selected Color' selection should have no effect on output. It only greys out the other colors that are not selected. You need to have the image look the way you want it when 'View Selected Color' is not checked before developing to get an output that matches what you see in CO.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    After you select the color you want to keep, then inverse that selection using the button, are you then fully desaturating that inverse selection (that is all the colors but the one you selected) using a saturation slider? Only that will get it to stick.
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  • MikeSp
    [quote="Alex1" wrote:
    After you select the color you want to keep, then inverse that selection using the button, are you then fully desaturating that inverse selection (that is all the colors but the one you selected) using a saturation slider? Only that will get it to stick.


    In a couple of my meager tries at this process, I did see the black circle fully colored as I recall (could be incorrect) AND there WERE several horizontal bars in the box beneath the color circle (perhaps 6) and I DID desaturate them and that was the one successful inverse color image that I obtained -- from then on, the only horizontal bar to show up was the color that I had picked and no desaturation was possible of the other colors even though when I clicked on the Inverse Color icon, the image appeared as desired, however as pointed out in the previous posting, when I unclicked View, the regular, full color image reappeared on the screen.

    I just brought up C1-6 Pro and tried the inverse color procedure again using the Advanced Tab on the Color Editor, used the color picker in the Color Editor, picked a color in the image, clicked view and the appearance was exactly what I desired, the selected color appeared in a triangle in the colored circle that now has muted colors BUT BUT BUT, there is a SINGLE horizontal line in the box below the color circle that represents only the color picked -- there are no other colors to desaturate. Perhaps I am doing something wrong that is preventing the rest of the 6 colors from showing so that I desaturate 5 of them. Thoughts/Suggestions??

    Thanks

    MikeSp
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  • MikeSp
    Correct me if wrong, but after picking the color desired, it is necessary to then to in with the color picker and pick ALL OTHER COLORS and corresponding horizontal bars appear below the color circle in the Color Editor and THEN desaturate all of them and viola -- it works.

    Nirvana!!!

    (this seems to work well -- did I do it right -- I re-read the Tip and did not noticed it mentioning to select all other colors and then desaturate them -- guess that was understood)

    If this is the solution -- sorry for the trouble and thanks for your efforts on my behalf.

    MikeSp
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  • MikeSp
    While I got the colors to stick as per my last posting, and when I bring up the JPG with the inverse colors in PS -- it is perfect and when I bring it up in Qimage for printing, it is perfect.

    BUT when I attach it to an email or look at the file in Explorer or InfranView (my default graphics viewer) -- it looks like the original with all colors present and no inverse at all.

    Back to the original question of how to make the inverse color selection stick for viewing besides C1, PS, and Qimage?

    What happens when you inverse the colors except the one chosen and save it as a JPG and then attach or embed it in an email -- did it stay inversed?

    MikeSp
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  • MikeSp
    Would somebody please go through the quick process of doing an inverse color selection (quick and dirty) and save it as a JPG. Then try either embedding it in an email or attaching it to an email and see if the inverse colors remained or the colors returned as they do for me. (It is strange that PS and Qimage see the inverse colored image and print it just fine but I cannot email the image since it shows the full, original colors when attached or embedded in Windows Mail.) 🤓

    Thanks

    MikeSp
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    WinXP SP3, CO601Pro.
    Converted RAW with inverse color to JPEG. Inversion sticks when viewing with Explorer and Windows Picture and Fax Viewer.

    I can not think of any possibility how a viewer or mail program can bring back colors in an image that aren't there. Of course you double-checked you did not accidently mixed the files you viewed and mailed, but I can not get that idea out of my head.
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  • Theis1
    [quote="MikeSp" wrote:
    (It is strange that PS and Qimage see the inverse colored image and print it just fine but I cannot email the image since it shows the full, original colors when attached or embedded in Windows Mail.) 🤓


    Hi MikeSP

    I think I know what your problem is - you are processing your image with the output ICC Profile set to "Embed Camera Profile".

    When using the Color Editor you are really changing the input ICC profile of the image (that is why it is also possible to save the changes in the Color Editor as an input ICC profile).
    When you choose "Embed Camera Profile" in Process Recipe Capture One then puts the input ICC profile into the processed file (which is the one you changed with the Color Editor). Now to view the processed JPG with your color changes you need a program that actually uses the ICC profile. Capture One does that - so does PS - however Windows Explorer in XP does not - neither does IrfranView, Internet Explorer or Windows Mail (however IrfranView can be set up to do it).

    So to get the colors to look right in these programs you should choose "sRGB IEC61966-2.1" in the ICC profile dropdown of the Process Recipe tool in the Output tab
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  • MikeSp
    EUREKA!!!! YOU hit on the exact problem that I was having. Not being a professional, this escaped me and of course, with your excellent explanation, it made perfect sense and the solution was at hand.

    THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!
    Mike
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="Theis1" wrote:
    So to get the colors to look right in these programs you should choose "sRGB IEC61966-2.1" in the ICC profile dropdown of the Process Recipe tool in the Output tab

    Not tested but I assume you can use other color workspaces than sRGB as well, to stay more close to your initial camera profile space. AdobeRGB comes to mind first.
    Another idea, not tested as well: you could save your Color Editor settings into a camera profile and output to that profile. Than you still have the camera profile for your output, but one that is adapted to that specific Color Editor adjustment.

    When I find time or space, I'll look into it. Or you like to experiment with it first and report... 😁
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