Importing images and Sessions confusion
Hi,
I'm new to Capture One 4 Pro (I've been using the old Capture One Pro for years) but I'm a little confused by the new workflow, i.e. importing images vs. sessions. Are these two different ways of working in this new version? I'm not understanding the need for importing images into C1. I read the instruction manual (which clearly explains how to import) but I still don't know WHY I need to import, especially if I can browse directly to the digital files I want to work on. Additionally, a further explanation regarding how this works or does not work with sessions would be appreciated as well.
Thanks so much,
Chris
I'm new to Capture One 4 Pro (I've been using the old Capture One Pro for years) but I'm a little confused by the new workflow, i.e. importing images vs. sessions. Are these two different ways of working in this new version? I'm not understanding the need for importing images into C1. I read the instruction manual (which clearly explains how to import) but I still don't know WHY I need to import, especially if I can browse directly to the digital files I want to work on. Additionally, a further explanation regarding how this works or does not work with sessions would be appreciated as well.
Thanks so much,
Chris
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Skip importing images when you have them already copied to your disk (Importing = copying to disk).
Sessions is a way to organize raw, processed and deleted images together in adjacent folders under a common name which happens to be the parent folder. The session concept can be neglected or used at will. The concept is not changed since CO 3.x Pro. Sessions was discussed here or in the CO4/Win forum recently. You might want to do a search or browse through recent topics.0 -
To Paul,
I think the session concept has changed very much since Co3.x Pro.
I used it for years and was very happy with it. Now it is very confusing.
When importing from a CF-Card the files go to the parent folder by default. I think default should be the captur folder! I have (and often forget) to choose the capture folder everytime I import files.
File-naming is now very frustrating. In 3.7 the file name was caoming from the session name. Numbering running on for files coming from CF-Card and coming from tethered shooting. Very easy to work with. Now the name comes from the last shooting, and has to be changed mannually before importing. Seems very silly to me!
I don't understand the concept of the "move-to" folder, can anybody explain this?0 -
Hi Wilfried,
Thank you for filling in the details (still think the concept itself was not changed, but how it is implemented). Never mind, the MoveTo folder? Just a quick - easy - dirty way to move images to a session related folder, including your adjustments. Think of all images of one of the models in your shoot, all the brides, the keepers or not-keepers (before deleting).0 -
Hi Paul,
I still don't understand why the imported files can‘t go to the capture folder by deafult.
I think it makes no sense if they go to the parent folder where they mix with the concepts folders. Why can‘t there even be an option for the user to make the capture folder the default?
I still don‘t understand why the naming is so different from the way we had it in 3.x.
3.x was loved for its very professional workflow (besides the conversion-quality).
Now for me it doesn't feel like a workflow anymore. Now all the time I have to watch where the files are going, what names c1pro wants to give them, rename something, move some files ...
I often have different jobs for different clients on one day. Often these jobs are continued the next day/next week ... . Every job is a session. When I change between the sessions I have always to think about the names, the place where the imported files go to ...
This is what I didn't have to do in 3.x. It just worked perfect.
Could somebody please explain what the advantages of the changes are and how I could benefit from them?0 -
Funny thing: I just visited the Tutorials on the phaseone website.
They still are the old 3.x tutorials (Headline: Workflow)
"Create a new session" exactly shows how the session-concept worked.
If phaseone believes their new concept works as good as this, or even better, they should urgently produce a new tutorial to show this. But maybe then they would recognize the problems we have now.0 -
I agree; the import images process has been degraded in v4.
Having the default destination folder as anything but the Capture folder beggars belief. Having to reset it each time you import images is doubly painful and as has been pointed out above, if you forget once you get a fragmented shoot with a cardful of images deposited in the parent folder! What use are they there??
The default filename used in renaming is always from the previous session so you must be sure to set that to your current name (despite having already set it in the "New Session" dialogue).
To burden one a bit more the number of clicks and trackpad moves required to complete an import is too high;
insert card, dialogue pops up then;
1. click on destination folder popup
2. select and click on destination from list (this assumes you have completed at least one import because the capture folder isn't even in this list on the initial import!)
3. trackpad down and click "OK"
4. trackpad up and click "OK" to dismiss the erase card warning
5. dismiss the completed import notification (no mousing or clicking needed, you can use the return key for this one thank dog!)
Capture One v3 behaved better in every regard.
Photomechanic handles all this so much better that we tend to set up a session, quit C1 and use PM for importing images. We add a lot of metadata to images and Photomechanic allows us to preset all the fields we need populated prior to import. Set the destination folder and you're ready to experience this process;
Insert card, dialogue pops up then;
1. hit return key.
Yep, that's it, done. The only time you get an erase warning is when you check the "erase from card after ingest" checkbox, unless you uncheck it you will go years without seeing that warning. Here are 6 more things you get with a PM import that you don't get in C14;
1. A progress bar you can see.
2. You can start looking at images while the import is in progress.
3. A completed import dialogue, but you don't have to dismiss it.
4. If there is an error nothing is erased from the card.
5. More than one destination folder so you can have a backup copy made to an external drive import!
6. No crashes
I love PhotoMechanic. I loved C13. I really really want as few pieces of software in my workflow as possible. Why is it so difficult for Phase One to be as wonderful as they once were or as wonderful as PM is?0 -
Thank you Robert71!
My english is just too bad to explain exactly what you did now.
I hope PhaseOne will listen to you or even explain to us how they thought the workflow should run.
Maybe it's a good idea to have a look at PhotoMechanics.[quote="Robert71" wrote:
I agree; the import images process has been degraded in v4.
Having the default destination folder as anything but the Capture folder beggars belief. Having to reset it each time you import images is doubly painful and as has been pointed out above, if you forget once you get a fragmented shoot with a cardful of images deposited in the parent folder! What use are they there??
The default filename used in renaming is always from the previous session so you must be sure to set that to your current name (despite having already set it in the "New Session" dialogue).
To burden one a bit more the number of clicks and trackpad moves required to complete an import is too high;
insert card, dialogue pops up then;
1. click on destination folder popup
2. select and click on destination from list (this assumes you have completed at least one import because the capture folder isn't even in this list on the initial import!)
3. trackpad down and click "OK"
4. trackpad up and click "OK" to dismiss the erase card warning
5. dismiss the completed import notification (no mousing or clicking needed, you can use the return key for this one thank dog!)
Capture One v3 behaved better in every regard.
Photomechanic handles all this so much better that we tend to set up a session, quit C1 and use PM for importing images. We add a lot of metadata to images and Photomechanic allows us to preset all the fields we need populated prior to import. Set the destination folder and you're ready to experience this process;
Insert card, dialogue pops up then;
1. hit return key.
Yep, that's it, done. The only time you get an erase warning is when you check the "erase from card after ingest" checkbox, unless you uncheck it you will go years without seeing that warning. Here are 6 more things you get with a PM import that you don't get in C14;
1. A progress bar you can see.
2. You can start looking at images while the import is in progress.
3. A completed import dialogue, but you don't have to dismiss it.
4. If there is an error nothing is erased from the card.
5. More than one destination folder so you can have a backup copy made to an external drive import!
6. No crashes
I love PhotoMechanic. I loved C13. I really really want as few pieces of software in my workflow as possible. Why is it so difficult for Phase One to be as wonderful as they once were or as wonderful as PM is?0
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