Exporting to RAW/DNG with color corrections?
Is it possible to export images to DNG and include the color corrections? I created a recipe exporting to DNG but the resulting files did not show my corrections when opened in Photoshop via Adobe Camera Raw.
Exporting to 16-bit TIFFs seems to be the only way and results in huge files.
What I am trying to do is pass on the images to a photoshop retoucher after making slight adjustments to color.
My retoucher does not have C1, just Photoshop.
DNG would be the perfect format, but how do I make C1 include the corrections with the files?
I am using C1 Pro v.5.02
Any ideas?
Exporting to 16-bit TIFFs seems to be the only way and results in huge files.
What I am trying to do is pass on the images to a photoshop retoucher after making slight adjustments to color.
My retoucher does not have C1, just Photoshop.
DNG would be the perfect format, but how do I make C1 include the corrections with the files?
I am using C1 Pro v.5.02
Any ideas?
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Can't be done, I'm afraid.
The user manual states on page 136:Outputting to DNG format in Capture One in essence creates a new RAW file. There are no options for size or compression with this format. All changes made to the image will be discarded when creating the DNG file.
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and here goes an idea for P1 - make a C1 "player" (like VMWare player or Adober Reader) - should be free... it will be a command line utility or just with open files/save to dialog that will accept EIP files (now that all raws can be stored inside) and generate output based on what's inside... no changes allowed.
that way the topic started can send just EIP files and his retoucher can have a free C1 "player" which will be able to generate exactly the same output (16 bit .TIFF for his Photoshop) based on the solely content of EIP file (any previews should be somehow stripped from EIP to reduce the size) that topic starter wants w/o him passing those huge .TIFFs...
was it discussed before ?0 -
@Keith, I understand this functionality is missing and am quite confused...
Lightroom does have the option to write changes to XMP files that can be interpreted by Camera Raw.
Is there nothing like this for C1 Pro?
How do you guys pass on the raw files along with C1 color corrections to a retoucher? This is such a common situation I can't imagine it's not being addressed in some way by such a mature package.
Again, I am looking for a way to use C1's incredible color interpreter and then pass on the files to a retoucher for blemish removal etc.
Thank you.0 -
[quote="andreinla" wrote:
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How do you guys pass on the raw files along with C1 color corrections to a retoucher? This is such a common situation I can't imagine it's not being addressed in some way by such a mature package.
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For this purpose CO 5.1 has the ability to package the image file plus adjustments into an EIP package. EIP is now available for all file formats, including DSLRs from 5.1 onwards (previously only Phase One data backs were supported). Note however that EIP is proprietary to Capture One (like the Lightroom / Camera Raw XMP solution is for Adobe).0 -
Can you recommend a workflow with a retoucher who does not use C1? 0 -
[quote="andreinla" wrote:
Can you recommend a workflow with a retoucher who does not use C1?
either you will send .TIFF or you have to use LR / ACR / DxO0 -
[quote="deejjjaaaa" wrote:
and here goes an idea for P1...
deejjjaaaa,
As always a great suggestion, perhaps easier in theory than execution however, a support case with that feature request is always welcome.
In regard to the topic at hand, Capture One offers the DNG option to simply convert from one RAW state to the other. Since we do not write to the RAW file, we cannot write the adjustments into the DNG like Adobe does. The solution at present is to provide your Retoucher with a processed file or a version of the software that can read Capture One Sidecar files.0 -
[quote="Drew " wrote:
[quote="deejjjaaaa" wrote:
and here goes an idea for P1...
deejjjaaaa,
As always a great suggestion, perhaps easier in theory than execution however.
everything easier in theory - however I think that your developers were smart enough to separate the user interface from the actual processing, so they can just cut it off leaving only the part that actually renders the image... the bulk of the code deals with user interface of various kind anyways... so that C1 raw conversion player, that can only interpret EIP file into .TIFF/.JPG based on the parameters stored there by fully functional C1 can be quite compact sizewise... however I can imagine people writing all kind of front ends trying to patch the content of EIP files to brew homegrown raw converters using that free one like a command line dcraw 😂0 -
[quote="deejjjaaaa" wrote:
[quote="andreinla" wrote:
Can you recommend a workflow with a retoucher who does not use C1?
either you will send .TIFF or you have to use LR / ACR / DxO
albeit DxO will not help, I forgot that their output in that case will be a big linear DNG file... and so not so radical saving in size vs .TIFF.0 -
Where does C1 store its sidecar files? Maybe I can convince the retoucher to buy a version. And, will he need C1 Pro in order to open EIP and save them as DNG or TIFF?
That would be a great command line utility... unpack EIP into a Photoshop-compatible DNG with the modifications in it... or into the original raw file (CR2 in my case) with adobe compatible XMP sidecar file...
Isn't DNG an open format? Adobe calls it "publicly available." http://www.adobe.com/products/dng/
I am not so sure what that means in legalese...0 -
[quote="andreinla" wrote:
Where does C1 store its sidecar files? Maybe I can convince the retoucher to buy a version. And, will he need C1 Pro in order to open EIP and save them as DNG or TIFF?
That would be a great command line utility... unpack EIP into a Photoshop-compatible DNG with the modifications in it... or into the original raw file (CR2 in my case) with adobe compatible XMP sidecar file...
Isn't DNG an open format? Adobe calls it "publicly available." http://www.adobe.com/products/dng/
I am not so sure what that means in legalese...
your retoucher will need to make .tiffs out of .eips, DNG is open in terms of its structure and only some (but not all) its content, so there is no way to be able to interpret a certain data written by one application in another application... for example if you will store parameters for Noise Reduction inside DNG it will not tell you how exactly that should be applied... because each raw converter has its own algorithms, even if the math behind is the same... so how C1 should interpret for example two numbers Luma = 25, Chroma = 50 written by Adobe as NR parameters if C1 does not know the Adobe's code ?0 -
[quote="andreinla" wrote:
Where does C1 store its sidecar files? Maybe I can convince the retoucher to buy a version. And, will he need C1 Pro in order to open EIP and save them as DNG or TIFF?
EIP support is available in all CO 5 versions, including the standard version. CO5 stores the adjustments file in the Settings sub folder in your images folder.0 -
Thank you, everyone! I think I'll evaluate file sizes and ask him to get C1 5.1 (non-pro). The time saved by not uploading 60MB tiff files and the additional flexibility (non-destructive editing) should be well-worth the investment.
Kindest Regards,
Andre0 -
Please work on the DNG, I don’t know what you can do or if Adobe won’t let go the codes (I taught it was and open source) but it is getting to point I don’t have to export or save as unless I export for web or printing, It great to see the images changes in explorer thumbnails or back and forth to PS, Bridge, LR, except C1 because I can’t see any changes at all unless I export to tiff or jpg and that one step I have to do. Starting in 2010 am using 100% DNG, I like the C1 but I can’t use it except for tethering, If DNG would work then I could just open a program and just print without doing all the export and what not, I print as save as file jpg or tif or what ever my printer will take to in the hot folder and then delete automatically. I do 99.9% of printing in house. DNG is here and it is getting more popular...... 0 -
[quote="Normand2" wrote:
It great to see the images changes in explorer thumbnails or back and forth to PS, Bridge, LR, except C1 because I can’t see any changes at all unless I export to tiff or jpg and that one step I have to do.
to C1 -> I'd ask WIC raw codecs providers like http://www.fastpictureviewer.com which provides free packages ( http://www.fastpictureviewer.com/codecs/ , you pay only if you want and can afford to - it is a donationware ) to include EIP in the list of supported codecs... EIP has the preview of some kind, so unless you are willing to write a codec yourself, give 3rd parties necessary documentation to be able to display preview out of .COP ( ? ) file(s) that are contained in .EIP container... win/win.0 -
Since it has been almost 2-years since the last post I was wondering if C1 has been fixed so that corrections made in C1 are now included in the DNG export file.
I would like to apply an LCC profile to the file in C1 then export it as a DNG so that I can work on the file in Lightroom.
Thanks!
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[quote="NNN634635287609042389" wrote:
Since it has been almost 2-years since the last post I was wondering if C1 has been fixed so that corrections made in C1 are now included in the DNG export file.
I would like to apply an LCC profile to the file in C1 then export it as a DNG so that I can work on the file in Lightroom.
Thanks!
Henry
The issue you mention has not been 'fixed' in Capture One as it is not considered a bug as far as I know. I think the issue is that DNG is marketed as an open standard (talking raw DNG here, not linear DNG). This is only correct for reading DNG. Regarding writing to DNG, this is a Adobe only privilege and only Adobe can read what another Adobe program has written to DNG.
Long story short, adjustments to DNG are as proprietary to Adobe as LCC of Capture One is to that program or Phase One.0 -
Just like I explained to you here, Henry... 0
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