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  • Ario
    I use them both but as alternative, both show their strength when used on raw files, I do not see how I could benefit by combining them in the same workflow.
    But may be I am missing your point.
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  • Keith Reeder
    Ario's answer exactly reflects my view - my workflow involves either Capture One or Optics Pro (or Lightroom or Photo Ninja) - I don''t see any point in, or benefit from, trying to combine them into a single workflow.
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  • NN635255889692912725UL
    thanks for the replies ... pretty much what i expected.

    unfortunately, C1 is so riddled with bugs i'll prob end continuing to use LR for cataloging and DxO for raw processing.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="NN635255889692912725UL" wrote:
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    unfortunately, C1 is so riddled with bugs i'll prob end continuing to use LR for cataloging and DxO for raw processing.

    Just curious, what bugs the most in CO7?
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  • Keith Reeder
    [quote="NN635255889692912725UL" wrote:
    unfortunately, C1 is so riddled with bugs.


    You own experience?

    Or internet noise?

    Because Capture One is bombproof on my machine...
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  • SFA
    [quote="NN635255889692912725UL" wrote:
    thanks for the replies ... pretty much what i expected.

    unfortunately, C1 is so riddled with bugs i'll prob end continuing to use LR for cataloging and DxO for raw processing.


    Go for it.

    It's a free world still (afaik) so you can do what you like.

    There is no reason to suppose that there is only one way to achieve whatever it is you wish to achieve.

    Personally I find very few bugs in C1 and even fewer that matter to me so I suppose we all have different needs. Thankfully we still have choice, though one may wonder how long individual choice may be an option.

    Good luck.



    Grant

    PS. What is wrong with LR for processing and can you not find even better products for cataloging?
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  • NN635255889692912725UL
    absolutely my personal experience over the last 4 weeks trying to migrate from a BR /LR workflow to C1 ... btw of context while i'm not a "professional" photographer ... dont shoot wedding / events / advertisements I am a pretty serious visual artist, a sophisticated tech user, and someone who is generally able to lear new SW quickly ... my skills in PS, FCP and PP are better than average so mastering tech isnt typically a problem for me.

    My photo and desktop equipment is well above spec ... Dual imacs (one as a secondary display), running 10.9.x, 16gb ram, 265GB flash drive, 2GB VRAM ... i shoot with 2 bodies - a mark II and mark III, most of my images were taken with 70 - 300 4 - 5.6L or 35mm 1.4L

    all that to say ... i dont think my frustration, with constant hangs, crashes and failed imports is a result of either my set up or incorrect use of the program.

    while i do think the precessing engine is quite good C1 just isnt a practical solution (for me) given it's present state of instability. since i didnt start this thread to rant ... what's the point?:) i'll stop there.
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  • Christian Gruner
    [quote="NN635255889692912725UL" wrote:
    absolutely my personal experience over the last 4 weeks trying to migrate from a BR /LR workflow to C1 ... btw of context while i'm not a "professional" photographer ... dont shoot wedding / events / advertisements I am a pretty serious visual artist, a sophisticated tech user, and someone who is generally able to lear new SW quickly ... my skills in PS, FCP and PP are better than average so mastering tech isnt typically a problem for me.

    My photo and desktop equipment is well above spec ... Dual imacs (one as a secondary display), running 10.9.x, 16gb ram, 265GB flash drive, 2GB VRAM ... i shoot with 2 bodies - a mark II and mark III, most of my images were taken with 70 - 300 4 - 5.6L or 35mm 1.4L

    all that to say ... i dont think my frustration, with constant hangs, crashes and failed imports is a result of either my set up or incorrect use of the program.

    while i do think the precessing engine is quite good C1 just isnt a practical solution (for me) given it's present state of instability. since i didnt start this thread to rant ... what's the point?:) i'll stop there.

    Just curious:
    - What version of Co 7 are you running ?
    - Have you opened a support case with our Support guys?
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  • SFA
    [quote="NN635255889692912725UL" wrote:
    absolutely my personal experience over the last 4 weeks trying to migrate from a BR /LR workflow to C1 ... btw of context while i'm not a "professional" photographer ... dont shoot wedding / events / advertisements I am a pretty serious visual artist, a sophisticated tech user, and someone who is generally able to lear new SW quickly ... my skills in PS, FCP and PP are better than average so mastering tech isnt typically a problem for me.

    My photo and desktop equipment is well above spec ... Dual imacs (one as a secondary display), running 10.9.x, 16gb ram, 265GB flash drive, 2GB VRAM ... i shoot with 2 bodies - a mark II and mark III, most of my images were taken with 70 - 300 4 - 5.6L or 35mm 1.4L

    all that to say ... i dont think my frustration, with constant hangs, crashes and failed imports is a result of either my set up or incorrect use of the program.

    while i do think the precessing engine is quite good C1 just isnt a practical solution (for me) given it's present state of instability. since i didnt start this thread to rant ... what's the point?:) i'll stop there.


    Thanks for the analysis. Far more than I was expecting by way of response.

    My experience is the opposite. I am far more comfortable with C1 (and another RAW conversion application that is quite similar in concept) than I was with LR (version 1 - I never really got into 2, tried 3 and was not impressed enough to change from what I was already using back then pre my C1 days) . I have never felt comfortable with "PS style" layers whether in PS or some other application of a similar nature but as implemented in C1 they feel OK though not as comprehensive as my other favoured application.

    I have no evident stability issues at all with C1 but then I use Windows (and sessions). I won't say that I never get any odd glitches but they are extremely rare and no more evident than with any other software I have installed on my machines. Various common and mature MS applications, browsers, PDF readers and Flash seem to be far more likely to be problematic.

    I think most people using C1 on either platform can have excellent experiences ... but some do not. It's difficult to know why that might be and whether there really is a Windows/Mac division of dissatisfaction. Presumably Phase know the proportions of active users by OS reasonably accurately but I have no idea.

    However it seems to me that, in general, Windows users - especially if using Win 7 which has the advantage of age stability - seem to have a better general experience for stability than Mac users in so far as one can glean from the post in the forum. Or, to put it slightly differently, anyone not have a great experience on Mac probably has a fairly torrid time (for whatever reason) whereas there is less reported evidence of that in recent times (say after the first few months of C1 V7 release) from Windows users.

    I have no idea whether this observation has an validity at all and I don't suggest that such a divide, if it exists, is any sort of basis for ignoring those who are discontented - nor do I think that is happening. But there certainly seem to be some issues that appear more regularly in some sections of the forums than they do in others, though not for everyone.

    Let me stress I am not try to "knock" Macs here. There are more than a few challenges to working with Windows systems in many areas with which I have been involved. However, fortunately for me Capture One is not an application with which I suffer the sort of frustrations you seem to have come across.

    Tech may be getting too complicated. At some point we may end up with something simplified - the equivalent of ink, quill pens and parchment. No doubt there will still be issues ... I can think of a few that might arise even now ... 😉

    Thanks for taking the time to explain your frustration,

    Grant.
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  • Ario
    [quote="NN635255889692912725UL" wrote:
    absolutely my personal experience over the last 4 weeks trying to migrate from a BR /LR workflow to C1 ... btw of context while i'm not a "professional" photographer ... dont shoot wedding / events / advertisements I am a pretty serious visual artist, a sophisticated tech user, and someone who is generally able to lear new SW quickly ... my skills in PS, FCP and PP are better than average so mastering tech isnt typically a problem for me.

    My photo and desktop equipment is well above spec ... Dual imacs (one as a secondary display), running 10.9.x, 16gb ram, 265GB flash drive, 2GB VRAM ... i shoot with 2 bodies - a mark II and mark III, most of my images were taken with 70 - 300 4 - 5.6L or 35mm 1.4L

    all that to say ... i dont think my frustration, with constant hangs, crashes and failed imports is a result of either my set up or incorrect use of the program.

    while i do think the precessing engine is quite good C1 just isnt a practical solution (for me) given it's present state of instability. since i didnt start this thread to rant ... what's the point?:) i'll stop there.

    I do not think either that the hangs, crashes and other failures you are experiencing are the result of your set-up or incorrect use but I have a similar set up ( iMac and MBP Retina, OS 10.9.4) and everything for me is running smoothly. I still use Lr as main DAM and as the tool to ingest the raw files into my HD's from where I run in parallel a Lr catalog ad a Capture One catalog (plus occasionally DXO, CS, AccuRaw, Iridient..). May be something went wrong in your installation and with the help of the support team of Capture One you may probably sort it out.
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  • NN635255889692912725UL
    Thanks for all the feedback ...

    - no I havent opened a support ticket since the issues are hard to recreate in a consistent way and, imo, the problems seem to be systemic as opposed to event driven. that said, if anyone on phaseone's support team is reading this thread i'd be happy to provide feedback / description of issues (g@goddthingfactory.com)

    - the windows v mac analysis is useful ... could very well be that C1 is more stable on Windows ... maybe it's a EUR v US thing since most developers "creative tools" in the US tend make sure the OSX version is solid since MACS are the creative default here ... not sure but maybe in EUR windows is the dominant platform for imaging applications.

    - ario ... interesting that you have a similar set up and have not been running into the same issues.

    again ... thanks everyone.
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    [quote="NN635255889692912725UL" wrote:
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    - no I havent opened a support ticket since the issues are hard to recreate in a consistent way and, imo, the problems seem to be systemic as opposed to event driven. that said, if anyone on phaseone's support team is reading this thread i'd be happy to provide feedback / description of issues
    ...

    You are free not to use the support that is available to you, but your assessment of the problems is in my opinion not a reason not to do so.

    It seems that you want support to reach out to you, instead of the other way round. Therefore I am not sure you want help. Anyhow, its your call.
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  • SFA
    As Paul has indicated the way that C1 support works is to respond to support requests through a formal, controlled and measurable problem management process.

    That is their call. Coming from a background of Service Management Software development and deployment I strongly support that position although I am not oblivious to attempts to do thing in other ways.

    I doubt that there is a strong Windows inclination involved. The Mac's traditional strengths are in Graphics and extending into Photo editing from there and I suspect that in common with many other application developers Macs feature predominantly among the development team users. However both Mac and Windows (and of course Linux) have challenges to address in terms of the way the 'encourage' progression of software and hardware development.

    Apple, I feel sure, would like to be seen as a totally integrated and absolutely competent, full proof shepherd of their technology. However they are still herding cats not sheep. There are many variables for them to deal with.

    Note too that most of the Windows people, like myself, seeing great stability, are running Windows 7. I feel no pressure to "upgrade" to Windows 8. (For any software, not just photo editing stuff). Mac world seems to respond differently based on what I read.

    None of this will make the lives of the developers any easier. And really I don't think you can make an assumption that things are different in Apple world in the USA compared to the rest of the planet. Well, unless Apple are playing games of favouritism with US centric developers. Could that be a possibility? Surely not in the global world economy.

    I think you have something local and specific to you machine - for whatever reason. You may stumble upon a solution in which case - great. Problem gone away.

    Or you could work with the C1 Support people to analyse coherently what is going on within your installation compared to what they see in theirs.

    That might be the best way forward for everyone. Then you can fully experience what C1 can offer and decide whether it offers you anything more than you can find elsewhere.


    HTH.



    Grant
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