"Could not apply local mask" Stunting PS Round Trip Workflow
So I am trying to take a Nikon RAW file (.NEF) and, at the beginning of my image workflow, 'edit with' photoshop to do retouching then save back into C1 to do the rest of what I would normally do (exposure, color, etc.) to export in C1.
The problem is when I save the PS image and it goes back into C1 as a .tif, and I make adjustments to copy and apply to other images, I get the message "could not apply local mask" with details being "incompatible with variant"
*these images are from the same camera, same pixel dimensions, etc.
*i thought it could be a lens correction issue in C1 but regardless of doing that prior to PS or not, I still get the error message
*i have tried importing into PS as a .psd instead of .tif...same error
I am clueless as to why this is happening and with projects due, trying to find work arounds has been extremely inefficient. Can someone please help me out with this?
The problem is when I save the PS image and it goes back into C1 as a .tif, and I make adjustments to copy and apply to other images, I get the message "could not apply local mask" with details being "incompatible with variant"
*these images are from the same camera, same pixel dimensions, etc.
*i thought it could be a lens correction issue in C1 but regardless of doing that prior to PS or not, I still get the error message
*i have tried importing into PS as a .psd instead of .tif...same error
I am clueless as to why this is happening and with projects due, trying to find work arounds has been extremely inefficient. Can someone please help me out with this?
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Your problem might be specific to NEF files.
This does work for me with Panasonic RAW files (.ORF)
Best open a support ticket, support is often quite responsive.
What I did:
In CaptureOne:
Select Panasonic RAW--> Edit With preview--> CO creates 16 bit TIFF in Adobe RGB Color Space
Preview opens the TIFF-
In Preview: Make some arbitrary adjustment like exposure and highlights--> Save
In CaptureOne:
Open the TIFF--> Create a Layer--> Fill, Luma Mask, Rasterise-->Layer adjustment (strong color shift)
Copy the TIFF adjustments to adjustment clipboard (select just the layer)
Paste Adjustments to original ORF or other ORF - works, and the color shift is visible.
This works if the Luma mask is rasterised or not.
Copying layers with masks created in the ORF files and applying to the TIFF file also works.0 -
Thanks for your response. I did open a support ticket. I would imagine with so many people shooting Nikon that a .nef raw file wouldn't be an issue.
I tried to follow along with what you posted but I don't get going to the lengths of making arbitrary adjustments in preview, creating a new layer, rasterizing that, then making adjustments, etc. .. and then somewhere in this workflow take it into PS for retouching
Is this something fairly simple that I am not wrapping my head around? because it seems very inefficient for a high volume project.
I am truly stumped on this and I have already spent hours trying to fix it. I definitely need support for this.0 -
[quote="NNN636705579363203997" wrote:
Thanks for your response. I did open a support ticket. I would imagine with so many people shooting Nikon that a .nef raw file wouldn't be an issue.
I tried to follow along with what you posted but I don't get going to the lengths of making arbitrary adjustments in preview, creating a new layer, rasterizing that, then making adjustments, etc. .. and then somewhere in this workflow take it into PS for retouching
Is this something fairly simple that I am not wrapping my head around? because it seems very inefficient for a high volume project.
I am truly stumped on this and I have already spent hours trying to fix it. I definitely need support for this.
One point that jumps out at me from your comments is about layers and masks. It sounds like you may not be using layers in your Capture One adjustments.
In Capture One, the purpose of a layer is to apply an adjustment with a mask. You can't have a mask without a layer. A layer without a mask isn't useful.
If Capture One is giving you mask errors, but you have no layers (and therefore no masks), then something very odd indeed is going on.
I added a layer so that I could add a mask to try to replicate your mask error.
How to configure a layer so that a quick look at the image will tell you if the layer is present or not? - Configure the layer to give the highlights a strong color cast, like blue or green.
Proceedure (in retrospect step 4 is optional)- Create a new layer
- Select the layer
- Right click on the layer and select fill mask (covers the entire image)
- Click on the Luma button; in the Luma window move the sliders so that only highlights are selected
- In color editor move the center of the color circle to Blue (or green, or red)
When you're done, just delete the layer - the color cast disappears, other adjustments remain untouched.[quote="NNN636705579363203997" wrote:
What kind of adjustments are you making in C1? In the Background or in a Layer? If in a Layer, what kind of mask? (drawn, gradient, radial, Luma)
The problem is when I save the PS image and it goes back into C1 as a .tif, and I make adjustments to copy and apply to other images,0 -
I have no issues with using layers in themselves.
It is that I simply cannot copy the layers applied to the C1>PS>C1 images, now .tifs (doesn’t work with .psd files either)
So if I’m doing something like skin retouching in PS THEN editing color normally in C1, I cannot apply the layers to other raw files. My questions are:
1. I should be able to apply .tif layers in C1 to .nef files right? (As long as they’re same pixel dimensions)
2. Is it possible that the .tif has a different color space than all the other raw files and that is why I can’t copy/apply?
Maybe it’s something else entirely but can anyone envision this “could not apply local mask†w/ details saying “incompatible variant†issue?
I’ve spent hours trying to figure this out0 -
[quote="NNN636705579363203997" wrote:
I have no issues with using layers in themselves.
It is that I simply cannot copy the layers applied to the C1>PS>C1 images, now .tifs (doesn’t work with .psd files either)
So if I’m doing something like skin retouching in PS THEN editing color normally in C1, I cannot apply the layers to other raw files. My questions are:
1. I should be able to apply .tif layers in C1 to .nef files right? (As long as they’re same pixel dimensions)
2. Is it possible that the .tif has a different color space than all the other raw files and that is why I can’t copy/apply?
Maybe it’s something else entirely but can anyone envision this “could not apply local mask†w/ details saying “incompatible variant†issue?
I’ve spent hours trying to figure this out
Have you asked Phase using a Support Case?
Could save you more hours of guessing.
Personally I think you are going about your edits in a strange way and I don't really understand why since you are in effect giving up C1's RAW data Conversion refinement processing abilities and then trying to do the sorts of things that many would fine tune in PS along with your retouching (or at least retouching the things that you might not have been able to do in C1). Nevertheless it would probably be best to let the Support Team offer guidance.0 -
Yes I have created a support case and was asked to send a .raw file and .tif file for review.Waiting on that response.
Where is the strange aspect of the edit? Because in order to even open the photos in PS, I have to create a .tif or .psd, right? And then it doesn't make sense to do any advanced color edits before working in PS, which creates the .tif that ultimately has all the other layers. The problem is that I cannot copy those layers to any one of the other .nef files as I get the "cannot apply local mask" error.
I wish I could just stick with one filetype until export. I'm willing to adopt whatever is more pragmatic and efficient. Thanks for your response nonetheless.0 -
Heres what I did to check sizing:
1. With my troubleshooting test image, a full size .NEF file imported into C1, I go to "edit with" to photoshop. Before opening PS, I am prompted to select the transition settings so I do .tif, Prophoto color space, 100% fixed size, uncompressed. This opens the image up in PS where I review pixel dimensions. The .tif file (see attached "C1-TIF-EXAMPLE") is 5504x8256
2. to compare pixel dimensions with original, from C1, I export my .nef raw file and review dimensions...5504x8256, same as above.
So with the .tif file being the work image in C1, presumably, I could make edits on layers and copy/apply to the other original images, most of which remain .nef files. This is where I get the "could not apply local mask" error. It does not work from .tif to .nef or vise versa, no matter which one is the work file, with layers.
I tried this same exact sequence with an image from another camera, that saves as .dng., and it worked. I was able to copy/apply layers, exactly what I am trying to do with the .nef.
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A few questions I have:
1. As I have to either use a .tif or .psd when doing a roundtrip edit from C1 to PS back to C1, I should be able to do subsequent edits on the .tif file and apply to the other .nef files, right? This is a large purpose of the software.
2. There is nothing I am doing different with the other camera files that shoot raw as .dng so if this works but the Nikon raw file .nef does not, is this a specific file type issue?
3. I thought about converting all raw files to either .tiffs or .dngs before even importing into C1, that way hopefully, I can copy/apply adjustments from the PS file without crossing filetypes. However this does not feel like a solution but more of a workaround and an extra tedious step in the workflow.
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I really have not been able to continue working until I fix this issue. It has always given me this error message but I never was editing with PS as much so I did not realize it was going to be a theme for a lot of upcoming work I am doing which necessitate more advanced editing in PS.
Any other info I can provide, please tell me.0
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