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Editing with external editor(s) round trip?

Dougb
As far as first impressions go... C1 is stuck somewhere between on my s**t list and infuriating. I would NEVER recommend this application to anyone who was OCD like I am about certain things. It's the "small things" that matter. More than most devs like to consider, IMO. As far as processing goes, and C1's demosaicing algorithm, it's a dandy. But I'm starting to find its niggles to be more like show-stoppers at this point. Just one more thing after another, building up like a crescendo, and I don't know where it's going to stop...

Or maybe I'm being melodramatic. I'm sure someone will let me know.. 🤭 My latest discovery, is that if I right click on an image that I'd like to edit in something like Silver Efex, I get a message stating that SEP doesn't work with said format. Um.. okay, it doesn't work with an NEF or RAF file, that's a given.. That's why a program like LR has always done the demosaicing and then exported automatically as a TIFF file to SEP!

Why does C1 need to be so... I guess, dumb, would be the word? I mean... There's no reason IMO to have to first export to a TIFF file, then go to an external editor and import said TIFF, and then when finished, go ahead and re-import into C1 ?!! Really?

Someone tell me that this isn't the case. Because if it is, I might as well just stop using C1 right now. That would be pitiful.

Doug
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  • brianmerwin
    To be brief about it, Capture One doesn't do the sort of round trip functionality you're asking for.

    There are little hacks and tricks people have tried to implement, but it really doesn't work well.

    That round-trip functionality you're hoping for is something that works well in LR and Photoshop because they are part of their own development environment - and it's not really something that exists within the scope of how Capture One functions.

    Capture One isn't dumb, it's a specialized tool for professionals. It's good at what it does (very good) and isn't trying to to be an "all in one" solution the way Lightroom is. (Not to knock Lightroom - It's a fine application, but you can't be amazing at anything if you're trying to do everything).

    The intended workflow is to Capture/Ingest RAW images into Capture One -> Make selections -> Perform RAW adjustments -> Process to Pixels (PSD/TIF/JPG) and once you've converted from RAW to pixels, there's no reason to return to Capture One as it's not an application designed to edit PSD/TIF/JPG images.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    [quote="Dougb" wrote:
    My latest discovery, is that if I right click on an image that I'd like to edit in something like Silver Efex, I get a message stating that SEP doesn't work with said format. Um.. okay, it doesn't work with an NEF or RAF file, that's a given.. That's why a program like LR has always done the demosaicing and then exported automatically as a TIFF file to SEP!

    Doug


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    It works perfectly with me. I right-click the picture, select edit with.... and C1 opens a window which lets me choose which software I want to edit my picture with, and telling me that C1 will create and export a variant (jpeg or tiff) with the ICC profile I wish. I just select Silver Effects Pro in the list and that's all.....
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  • Dougb
    [quote="tenmangu81" wrote:
    [quote="Dougb" wrote:
    My latest discovery, is that if I right click on an image that I'd like to edit in something like Silver Efex, I get a message stating that SEP doesn't work with said format. Um.. okay, it doesn't work with an NEF or RAF file, that's a given.. That's why a program like LR has always done the demosaicing and then exported automatically as a TIFF file to SEP!

    Doug


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    It works perfectly with me. I right-click the picture, select edit with.... and C1 opens a window which lets me choose which software I want to edit my picture with, and telling me that C1 will create and export a variant (jpeg or tiff) with the ICC profile I wish. I just select Silver Effects Pro in the list and that's all.....


    So weird! I SWEAR that I tried both "edit with" and "open with" last night.. And edit with didn't work! Now it does. Trust me, I really did try the edit with.. and all it did was open a Finder pop up for me to point to a directory. Well, it's working now, thanks!

    However, is there not a way to have a formula set up so that you don't have to point to the external editor every single time?

    Doug
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Yes, you can create a "Process Recipe" called for instance "SEP" 😄 and select SEP in the field "Open with.....".
    You have however to choose as "output location" a folder which suits you.
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  • Michael Sonshine
    [quote="brianmerwin" wrote:

    The intended workflow is to Capture/Ingest RAW images into Capture One -> Make selections -> Perform RAW adjustments -> Process to Pixels (PSD/TIF/JPG) and once you've converted from RAW to pixels, there's no reason to return to Capture One as it's not an application designed to edit PSD/TIF/JPG images.

    Sorry, no offense intended, but I think the last part of your comment is a bit odd since CaptureOne not only allows for round-trip processing but advertised it as a new feature intended specifically for users to do what you say there is no reason for.

    The advertisement for version 9.0 listed round-trip processing as a new feature and thus encouraged users to call an external editor, make whatever edits were necessary and then return the image back to CaptureOne for further processing. In fact that was the reason I upgraded to version 9. I don't take issue with the comment that CaptureOne is mainly a raw processor but I believe that there is good reason to do round-trip processing to take care of functionality that is just not in CaptureOne.
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