"Edit With" issue, or am I assuming something
Hi,
Has anyone been playing with the new "Edit With.." function, and has it been working for you. I have been going a little crazy trying to figure out why my images are not looking as expected.
Here is what I am seeing:
Make adjustments to a image, say create a new layer, increase the saturation.
Do a "Edit With" and have it create a TIFF file and have the image open in Photoshop. Close photoshop.
Compare the new TIFF file with the variant that it was created from. (I am using Catalogs so it places the file right next to the one that it created from.) Mine has no adjustments applied, except for the meta data.
Is this what it is suppose to do? "Edit With.." just creates a TIFF from the raw, with no adjustments applied. I know that "Open with.." would just send the Raw over to the program. But I expected "Edit With.." to apply the adjustments before being edited.
Robert
Has anyone been playing with the new "Edit With.." function, and has it been working for you. I have been going a little crazy trying to figure out why my images are not looking as expected.
Here is what I am seeing:
Make adjustments to a image, say create a new layer, increase the saturation.
Do a "Edit With" and have it create a TIFF file and have the image open in Photoshop. Close photoshop.
Compare the new TIFF file with the variant that it was created from. (I am using Catalogs so it places the file right next to the one that it created from.) Mine has no adjustments applied, except for the meta data.
Is this what it is suppose to do? "Edit With.." just creates a TIFF from the raw, with no adjustments applied. I know that "Open with.." would just send the Raw over to the program. But I expected "Edit With.." to apply the adjustments before being edited.
Robert
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It looks like we need the folks at P1 to give some guidance on the difference between Open With and Edit With... 0 -
"Edit With" applies the adjustments for me. Have you tried flattening the layers before saving ? 0 -
i think i found the different between OPEN With and Edit With...
OPEN WITH function insure the user to open the image format like NIKON NEF Raw file with a compatible Programm wich been found automatically from C1 on the MAC, and let the Edit program decide which format sending back to DB C1
C1 will make a new import Image process at the background
but the ..
Edit with function makes a variant to Original and send a Tiff or jPG to some Apps with the ability to open only jpg or tiffs like NIK Software ! the Variant still be inside the DB " C1" and after closing the apps the changes will immediately showing in C1
and i think that c1 now can't open back the photos who coming from Photoshop or Pixelmator with layers made0 -
Ok,
So sounds like either way, if I want changes made in CO, I need to go through the "Process Recipes", then manually re-import them, back into the catalog.
Thanks.
Robert0 -
[quote="PhaseoneUser55657" wrote:
Ok,
So sounds like either way, if I want changes made in CO, I need to go through the "Process Recipes", then manually re-import them, back into the catalog.
Thanks.
Robert
I don't understand. I've used Nik SilverEfex Pro 2 as the "edit with" editor and it worked fine. The color image from CO was saved as a new TIFF variant, then opened in SilverEfex where I converted to B&W and I hit "save". Back in CO and I see two images, the original RAW and the B&W TIFF after the SilverEfex conversion.
With Photoshop it should work the same. I just did an "edit with" , open in Photoshop, convert to B&W, save in from photoshop, return to CO and the B&W image is there.0 -
It turns out that CO8.1 is working as expected.
What I am seeing is CO8.1 rendering the RAW (nef) file differently, then the generated TIFF, when at zoom to fit.
When I zoom into 100% CO and the TIFF look alike. While at Zoom to FIT CO8 colors are vibrant, and the TIFFs look all washed out.
I have never seen this before, with my normal camera, As I have been racking my brain, with the last few shoots as I to used a D810. (Normal camera I use is in the shop being repaired).
Thanks for all the help and suggestions.
Robert0 -
I use Edit With in C1 but see different results depending on the external app. Photoshop CS6 and Silver Efex Pro work as expected, i.e. a save from either saves the edited tiff file back in the C1 database over-writing the one created at the start of the Edit With process. However with OnOne Suite after a save, the tiff file is overwritten but it has a warning triangle with an exclamation mark on the preview picture and is unusable. I suspect I could go to OnOne Suite via Photoshop but for some reason I don't see the suite from Photoshop but that's a different issue I have to solve. I tested this route i.e. via Photoshop with the Nik collection until I realised I could go directly there from C1.
Has anyone tried Edit With with the OnOne Suite with better results?
I agree with one of the commenters below - we need some instructions and tutorials but kudos to PhaseOne for implementing support for external editors. After my recent move to C1 from Aperture this was my biggest issue about the move, especially as I had invested in several third-party apps to compensate for Aperture's shortcomings. That and the continued lack of support for my favourite Nikon 10-24mm lens.0 -
This is v1 of this feature so I know functionality will improve. Glad it was added.
Open with: Tried with Capture NX. Edits do not appear in CO. Do I need to re-import?
Tried a variant and save or save as, same result.
So far, not sure what his feature adds, at least for my NEFs. Seems like a one-way trip right now.
Also, CNX appears as on option, but not LR or Aperture. Not that I would use these, but they are able to edit NEF.
Edit with: This generates a Tiff just like LR or Aperture. Works fine. Tried with CNX and a Tiff was generated (no advantage gained) that was saved back to CO.
I would like to be able to triage the list of available programs to only the few I use all the time.
No idea how to do this.0 -
Ok, my take as I started this thread.
"Edit with", creates a TIFF/JPeg of the selected variant to send to another program, adds the tiff to the catalog, and looks like it watches for changes and regenerates the preview when it sees change.
"Open with", send the "File" to another program. My take is that this is not for sending "Raw" files to another program, as CO would never see the output from the other program, as most "Raw" files are not intended to be changed. But to send a generated imaged from "Edit with", (i.e. Tiff, or JPeg) to another file. It will then look for changes to that "Image" file and adjust the preview.
I don't think either LR or Aperture would work with either of these options, as neither one of them are designed to edit a single file, they both must have the file imported to be able to work on them. As neither one actually modifies the file, but requires a export of some such to create a "Cooked" file. Then how would CO8.1 know the name and location of the new file.
So my take on how you would use the feature(s):
Adjust the "Raw" file in CO8.1 to get it correct.
Do an "Edit With.." to Photoshop, CO creates a Tiff file of the variant and opens the file in "Photoshop".
Edit the Image in PhotoShop, how ever you want, flatten the image, save and close the image.
CO8.1 will then update the preview, and depending on the sorting put the image next to the Original RAW.
Now do a "Open With..." with "Silver Effects Pro", on the Tiff file, this sends the Tiff to SEP, and can create a BW image.
Do adjustments in SEP, and save.
CO8.1 will then update the preview.
Now, I think you could keep doing "Edit With..." instead of "Open With..." and that would create a new Tiff, for each round trip. It would give you a way to go back to a version prior to running the plug-in, but at the cost of hard driver space.
I think the "Edit With.." and "Open With.." give CO8.1 a semi-plugin capability.
Robert0 -
I agree with "semi". 0
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