Proof Profile
Hey guys,
ive done a quick search here about Proof Profiles and am not sure if those topics address my specific issue. Am hoping you can advise.
As a little background, im running windows XP32. I was trying Version 4 and then Version 5 was released so i installed V5 onto a different drive so that it wouldn't interfere with the V4.
My original RAW image was shot using the A98 colour space.
When i select View -> Proof Profile and then select sRGB, i dont see any change to the image at all. If i select any of those settings (except for the greyscale ones), i don't see any change to the image. I would expect the Proof Profile to display how the image will look in final destination profile
If i process the file and select an srgb recipe and then process the same file using an A98 recipe, i saw a very obvious difference between them in the jpeg.
Is there something im doing wrong?
Is the instalation of both versions causing a problem?
Is this a known bug?
Would really appreciate any advice. Thanks for your time.
Kind regards,
Anthony
ive done a quick search here about Proof Profiles and am not sure if those topics address my specific issue. Am hoping you can advise.
As a little background, im running windows XP32. I was trying Version 4 and then Version 5 was released so i installed V5 onto a different drive so that it wouldn't interfere with the V4.
My original RAW image was shot using the A98 colour space.
When i select View -> Proof Profile and then select sRGB, i dont see any change to the image at all. If i select any of those settings (except for the greyscale ones), i don't see any change to the image. I would expect the Proof Profile to display how the image will look in final destination profile
If i process the file and select an srgb recipe and then process the same file using an A98 recipe, i saw a very obvious difference between them in the jpeg.
Is there something im doing wrong?
Is the instalation of both versions causing a problem?
Is this a known bug?
Would really appreciate any advice. Thanks for your time.
Kind regards,
Anthony
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Anthony, based on your information (and filling in some gaps) I think nothing is wrong, but confusing: yes! I will try to explain.
Capture One (CO) is a fully color managed application. It takes input and output ICC profiles into account. sRGB and AdobeRGB1998 are working spaces, used internally in the program and saved as reference with the output. When soft proofing with Proof Profile, you probably will see never any or very seldom any difference when going from sRGB to AdobeRGB1998. This is due primarily to the limitations of your monitor (whether calibrated or not) and the rendering (=converting from one color space to the other) of CO. The monitor's color space has the size of sRGB unless you have one of those expense wide-gamut monitors. But even then, you will only see a small difference in a few saturated color.
Viewing your output jpegs with XP however (you did not mention the program you view it with) can show large differences due to XP's lack of color management outside applications like CO, Photoshop CSx etc. The R, G and B values of the AdobeRGB1998 file are read as if they were sRGB values. Wrong! Washed out colors! But a different issue than the one above.
Tip: view your different jpegs with CO.0 -
Did you play around with the color render mode in preferences? Sometimes I switch to Relative Colorimetric, which looks more "realistic" in C1. Weird enough, usually Perceptive mode should look nearly the same than Relative Colorimetric. However, I am new to CM, so maybe I am talking bulls**t here. However, you should compare the render modes, since they show big differences. (Notice that for some strange reason, when working with relative colorimetric, your color editors in C1 will not show any changes anymore.) 0 -
Hi guys,
thanks very much for your input.
I cant say that i'm following the logic though. Im using ACDSEE Pro as an image viewer (which can be colour profile managed). I also have a good colour calibrated monitor.
In photoshop, if i apply Proof Profile then i see an immediate and marked difference between profile. You can see what an image is going to look like in CMYK for example if you're printing in that format. That's the kind of functionality id like from C1. I want to be able to see what its going to look like in A98 for print... and i want to see what its going to like in SRGB so that when i upload it to a website, i know that 90% of the population are seing closest to what im seing. Does this make sense?
Christian: thanks for your ideas mate. Im a little familiar with the rendering modes. I would have thought perceptual would have delivered the closest to what i was seing on screen (as per Photoshop explanations). You make some interesting observations.
Paul: Thanks for the explanation mate 😊 I went off and did some reading about RAW after all this and i learn that input colour profile on a RAW makes no difference and that its applied on output. Ive gota see that i see a noticeable difference in skin tones and green between A98 and SRGB as output from C1 and untouched by Photoshop.
Its no deal breaker.. would just be nice to work that way. I wonder how Lightroom handles this stuff. Must have a look.
Once again.. really appreciate the time and effort in your responses guys. Beers on me this Friday 😁0 -
[quote="Skiman" wrote:
In photoshop, if i apply Proof Profile then i see an immediate and marked difference between profile.
CO does not have a print module, so it does not soft proof for print (it would need a printer profile/ paperprofile to be able to do so). Lightroom as well as photoshop both have printing capabilities.
CO neither has the option to set your working space manually, as photoshop does. It would have no benefits as far as I can see. Colormanaged applications take the icc-profile of an image into account automatically, and translate it for correct display on a monitor. It are the limitations of the monitor that make it hard or impossible to see the diferrences between the same image developed with different output-profiles, differences that aren't great to begin with, but subtle.
Real differences are, as far as I know, only visible when the icc-profile of an image is not correctly read by an application, or when you manually select the wrong working space, as is possible in photoshop, when you unselect the warning (in preferences) it normally gives you, when you open an image that does not match the workingspace.
regards
Chris0 -
[quote="Skiman" wrote:
Im using ACDSEE Pro as an image viewer (which can be colour profile managed). I also have a good colour calibrated monitor.
In photoshop, if i apply Proof Profile then i see an immediate and marked difference between profile.
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Based on your initial description in the first post on this thread ACDSEE Pro is more likely not a color managed application. Easy to check: process a single image to both the sRGB and AdobeRGB workspace in output settings. Open them in Acdsee Pro and Photoshop CSx (not Elements). Do you see no difference on screen? Then the application you use is color managed and otherwise it is not.0
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