Capture One Compatibility with Cellphone Photos
I realise that there are different versions of the program for different cameras. But I'm approaching C1 primarily as a digital asset management program, an alternative to Photos. As such, could it be used to store and edit cellphone photos? How strict are the differences between system types? Is the programming specific to certain types of codecs?
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I don't need a DAM since I work in session only. Using CO
only or mainly for that is passing beside the best of it.
Phones will save JPGs and all apps can work with that but
RAWs are makers specific so not all converters can handle
them. CO recognises a great number of brands and models
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Thanks for your feedback. I didn’t realize that RAW files are maker-specific. I shot RAW on my iphone. How can I determine which files C1 is compatible with?
Also, how would you differentiate C1 from Photos, and Photoshop versus Affinity Photos ,etc. What makes it unique for you?
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— I shot RAW on my iphone.
Raw maker specific or DNG generic?
— How can I determine which files C1 is compatible with?
There is an extensive list of all the CO recognised files on their site.
— Also, how would you differentiate…
Capture One is my favourite converter since v.7 but they are trying to hard to sedu-
ce Lr users. All my students have, sooner or later, moved to CO and all have learned
to work in sessions.
Photos for me is for iPhone jpg shooters.
Photoshop is a pixel editor that can't work with RAWs. Still the king of the road but
I am adobe free since years and Affinity Photo is growing up quickly.
Affinity Photo "my pixel editor" not yet at the level of Ps but coming up… I've been
using the Sérif 's suite successfully for years now.
— What makes it unique for you?
Capture One for the colours, extreme flexibility, and lack of brutality and useless tools.
Photos n/c
Photoshop the senior app in the industry that has two main faults. 1) its legacy and
2) the adobe business model.
Affinity Photo emulates pretty much Ps but has the best healing /inpainting brush tec-
nologies in the industry… the best.
Are you ok with this? I'm a good trigger but a lousy typist… I don't remember having ty-
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Capture One is not, by far, the best DAM software you could find. I think Photos is better.
But Capture One is, by far, the best development software I know. But it can't open RAW files obtained from smartphones for the time being.
I would say Capture One, Lightroom (ACR included) and others of the same kind are dedicated mostly to the development of RAW pictures.
Photoshop, Affinity Photo and others of the same kind are dedicated mostly to pixel and images corrections and graphism.
Photos is mostly a DAM, to which some development tools have been added. It is very convenient for Apple users, but there are some better DAM softwares.
I use Capture One for developing my images from RAW, and Photoshop (or Affinity Photo) to remove objects or defects, add text or special effects, graphisms, etc... I use Capture One catalogue as a DAM, but it is not quite good. This is an improvement to be done by the staff in the next future, I hope.
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Interesting to hear the varying feedback. I appreciate your experiential insight.
Firstly, thanks Nikon Shooter. Your typing is plenty legible. :) So Affinity Photos is a strong PS contender? That's what I like to hear as the Adobe business model is borderline criminal. Is it normal for people to combine programs, like starting with a raw edit in C1 before moving the project to Affinity Photo? Is that interface process simple enough?
Also, what did people do with their RAW photos during the reign of Photoshop? What's the advantage of pixel photos?I'm not sure about the RAW type. How would I determine that? Is that a stat that appears in Get Info?
Secondly, Robert, what makes Photos a better DAM in your opinion? I don't think you can star photos in Photos (if we're talking about Apple's Photos app), can you? What are the better DAM softwares you'd recommend other than Photos or C1? And what constitutes a "development" software? Thanks for sharing your workflow insights!
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I should clarify my priority in looking for a DAM that is easily compatible with other editing and processing programs. My goal is to cutback on redundancies in file management and find an easy-going workflow.
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Right… let's make something clear here.
A RAW FILE IS NOT AN IMAGE… WILL NEVER BE!
A RAW file is all the data and ONLY the data collected by the sensor
when one presses the SR.- — Is it normal for people to combine programs, like starting with
a raw edit in C1 before moving the project to Affinity Photo?
Is that interface process simple enough?
Yes. CO is a RAW converter and that means its first job is to read the
recorded data, apply your tweaks and, finally, convert all that data into
a real image format such as jpg, tiff, etc. Up to this point, one has done
nothing but to tweak data in terms of chrominance, luminance, and to-
nal values, etc.
The next step concerns the pixel editor where, this time, image pixels
will be manipulated… whichever way.- — Also, what did people do with their RAW photos during the reign
of Photoshop?
Before RAW files, most films were scanned and saved in tiff, a real pixel
image.- — What's the advantage of pixel photos?
That is the only way to work on an editable image since RAW can not be
played with… only / always interpreted through sidecar files.
Another long post… ;) ;) ;)0 - — Is it normal for people to combine programs, like starting with
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— I should clarify my priority in looking for a DAM that is easily compatible
with other editing and processing programs. My goal is to cutback on re-
dundancies in file management and find an easy-going workflow.
Then, work in sessions.
I like these shorter ones!0 -
— I should clarify my priority in looking for a DAM that is easily compatible
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Photos for me is for iPhone jpg shooters.
And HEIF shooters (gentile dig at a current ability missing in Capture One)
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Also, what did people do with their RAW photos during the reign of Photoshop? What's the advantage of pixel photos?
Photoshop is a bit/pixel editor. For raw files it uses ACR (Adobe Camera Raw) to create the needed bits/pixels from the raw data. Affinity Photo is also a bit/pixel editor. It has a "develop" personality to convert a raw image to bits/pixels. Bit/pixel editing let you do things like cut out and replace backgrounds, apply special effects such as pixelate, swirl, and blur, add text including text along complex paths, etc. I think of it as more of a graphics editing tool than a picture editing tool.
Bit/pixel editing is not always needed (but I'm sure professional photographers may disagree with that statement). I used to use Lightroom. I would rarely do further editing in Photoshop, mostly to do content aware fill. Today I use Capture One and Affinity Photo when needed. I agree with Nikon Shooter that the Affinity inpainting brush is the best.
Most (all?) of the various Lightroom/Photoshop competitors allow a trial period. The way to find out what works best for YOU is do download/install the trials and play. That takes time and effort, but is the best way to answer your questions. I was able to rule out a few candidates when I decided to switch from Lightroom because they did not work with raw files from the cameras I own.
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- — Affinity Photo is also a bit/pixel editor. It has a "develop" personality
to convert a raw image to bits/pixels.
Correct but only one image at the time. CO can copy / apply tweaks to many files
in a jiffy!- — Bit/pixel editing is not always needed (but I'm sure professional photo-
graphers may disagree with that statement).
I don't! Not always is very right.
- — That takes time and effort, but is the best way to answer your questions.
Or I can offer you mentoring sessions.
0 - — Affinity Photo is also a bit/pixel editor. It has a "develop" personality
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Thanks for the feedback, you all! Much appreciated!
I just assumed that a raw photo file was a photo file, the way a WAV file or FLAC file is specific to music, right? (Or does this depend upon the player used to play the file?)
In that case, do TIFF files contain the same amount of raw data as raw files?
So it sounds like C1 is better for bulk photo editing, when applying the same edits to multiple photos? What do you mean by Affinity Photo having a "develop" personality?
Nikon Shooter, I would love to explore more of these questions in detail and would certainly be interested in some mentoring/tutoring; but I'm not sure if I can afford it, to be honest. I live in Spain where I work as a language assistant and live on a stipend. ;) I could use some direction about best workflow processes and especially about fundamental color grading (my arch nemesis).
I should mention that I'm working through a cellphone photo project now but will likely be getting a Sony camera soon.
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