Capture One 21 Fuji Film Simulations on Import???
Okay, so I have partially switched from Lightroom to Capture One 21 and I really like the program so far. However what I don't like and I can not for the life of me understand why files on import DO NOT show the Fuji Film Simulation I had set in camera. Instead I get "AUTO" in the Base Characteristics, Curve. Yes the Sims are there when I pull down the menu. But at that point shouldn't the sim I had set in camera at least be highlighted or have a check mark by the sim I had set in camera. Am I supposed to remember what sim I used for what photo??? I'm 71 years old and sometimes I forget what I had for lunch or what day of the week it is. I don't get why you an make it come up in the curve window. When I upload files to Lightroom the film sim, like Classic Chrome, automatically appears in the PROFILE tab of the program. I don't have to try and remember or guess. Maybe someone can answer this post or somehow enlighten me as to why I can't see the sim I set in camera come up automatically. I've googled this topic to death and just can't get an answer.
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David,
You make a good point. However, historically C1 has always picked an "Auto" assessment on import and, in most cases across all camera types including those without specific manufacturer support like Fuji, "Auto" is usually "Film Standard" as assessed by Capture One for the supported camera.
The extension for Fuji is that C1, by default, selects the File Simulation used in-camera if there was one and if the specific camera is supported for Simulations (some of the older cameras are not supported.)
Most of the complaints I can recall about the Fuji Film style implementation have been about people seeing their images with a B&W simulation applied and wondering why they had "lost" the colour RAW file. Of course, it was not lost but the confusion was evident.
I would suggest you create an entry in the Feature Request thread describing the changes you would prefer in order to make the settings more informative. That thread is monitored for suggestions by C1 staff and the suggestions are passed to product managers for consideration. The number of counts of requests for the same functionality are, we are told, taken into account when future enhancements are being prioritized.
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SFA,
Thank you for answering my post. I really do appreciate it.
I have seen Johannes Raspe's post in the user manual section numerous times and in fact it is the number one searched response in Google.
I will draft a post for the "Feature Request" thread. Maybe it will get some traction from other Fuji users. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would be interested in that feature. I am totally clueless as to why they can't make that happen. I've been a Nikon shooter, a Sony shooter and now a Fuji shooter. With Lightroom if I shot in Camera Neutral or Camera Vivid or any other in camera profile on board the camera, Lightroom always had the profile in the program. All of Fuji's Film Simulations are in Lightroom as well and the sim I shot in is always selected when I open the RAW file in the Develop Mod. So I'm given to believe that the photo's information from the camera (regardless of brand) is embedded in the EXIF data. With that in mind, one would think that C1 should be able to read EXIF data the same way.
Thanks again,
David
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Dear David, if you read the linked content carefully you will find, that C1 does exactly what you want: “Auto” means: apply the sim which was used to shoot the pic. I would propose you try it again with one of the b&w sims to check the result. At least for me it does work this way.
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Johannes,
I think what David wants is simply to be able to see which Simulation was used for the shot. The Simulation Name (or a proxy for it) must be available in the data somewhere so why not highlight the active simulation rather then use only the traditional C1 default of "Auto" that, for C1 purposes with the possible exception of some Phase cameras, usually means a "Film Standard" curve for the camera body used has been applied.
Where there are multiple "Film Standards" that might be applied, as in the case with Fuji and now Nikon and Sony in some cases, it would be nice to see the currently selected profile identified in some way that is more informative than "auto" or even "film standard".
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Johannes,
First why can I not reply directly to your post? I believe this reply is replying to the above post by SFA.
Anyway, I've read your link about 50 times, no joke. But I'm not trying to be argumentative or rude here but that link is not the answer to my question.
So I have to assume that you are not a Fuji shooter nor are you familiar with Fuji's camera set ups.
Let's say I go out on a shoot... For the first exposure, lets say the image is number XT0001.RAF. In camera I set the film simulation to Classic Chrome.
For the next image XT0002.RAF I set the film simulation to Pro Neg Hi. Then for the final image XT0003.RAF I set the film simulation to ACROS+R.
Now I go back to my computer and upload the photos to Lightroom and what comes up in the Develop Module under Profile it's Classic Chrome, Pro Neg Hi and Acros+R respectively for the three exposures in question.
I then upload the same three images to C1 and what do I get in the Basic Characteristics, Curve window? "Auto". And yes, I can pull down the window and see that all the Fuji Film Simulations for my X-Pro2 are there in the pull down but which one did I use on which exposure? No clue unless of course I took copious notes while shooting and wrote down each simulation for each exposure which in this made up scenario I did write down the simulations.
Now, what I do, since I'm using both Lightroom and C1 simultaneously I can go back and look at the file in LR and see what film simulation I used on which exposure and set the film simulation in C1 to match that of LR and Bob's your Uncle, the characteristics of the file in C1 now matches the same file in LR.
So with that in mind are we then seeing that C1 is indeed not reading the all exif data coming from Fuji cameras and is at this point incapable of pulling in the exact film simulation other than, as SFA mentioned, "Film Standard"? And then putting it in the Curve portion of the Basic Characteristics?
In this day and age, I shouldn't have to take notes on location. I did that way back when I was shooting film and it was tedious to say the least. The last thing I want to do, or even try to do, is remember what exposure was taken with what film simulation. Cameras are smarter than ever, exposure setting and lenses are all recorded in the EXIF data and Adobe LR has always presented that information to the user in there program and I've been using Lightroom since Version 1. After switching to the Fujifilm system from Sony last year, I decided to give Capture One 20 (I'm now using 21 btw) a go because every Fuji shooter I listened to or follow on YouTube talked about how well Capture One handles Fuji's files in comparison with LR (worms). Also watching Phase One David's tutorials on YouTube I became a convert.
Now if y'all could just get the film simulation used in camera to come up in the curve portion of Basic Characteristics I'd be an extremely happy camper. And oh yeah, I would be super cool if you could make this program work on my iPad so I could use C1 on location.
Special thanks to SFA.
Regards,
David
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First why can I not reply directly to your post?
Because the forum software driving this forum doesn't support that function. Replies are to threads, not individual posts and seem to be shown in date/time order.
Now if y'all could just get the film simulation used in camera to come up in the curve portion of Basic Characteristics I'd be an extremely happy camper. And oh yeah, I would be super cool if you could make this program work on my iPad so I could use C1 on location.
Us all aren't going to do anything as we are fellow users and have nothing to do with Capture One development. You need to direct your reasonable requests to the folks at Capture One, not this forum. Good luck.
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Marco,
Thank you very much for your kind and courteous response.
David
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David,
we had a simple misunderstanding: I thought your complaint was, that C1 does not apply the correct simulation, which it does for me also for RAW files, which is a feature which was added over time. In the past C1 did not know about the simulation used shooting RAW and ignored it. So every RAW file came in exactly the same no matter in which mode ist was shot.
But now I (finally :-)) understood your complaint: you would like to be able to determine inside of C1 which simulation was used for the shot and therefore has been automatically applied. And I have to admit, this indeed would be very useful for us Fuji shooters. For me it didn't come up, because I always shoot my RAW file in Std. to get a meaningful histogram.
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David, I’m still confused after reading the entire thread. When set to ‘auto’ C1 applies the correct film simulation that I set in my cameras (X100F, X-T2, X-T3). It *does* read the exif data. It just doesn’t display the name of it, just says ‘auto’. If the latter is what you need, displaying the name instead of ‘auto’, I’d suggest sending in a feature request. If it doesn’t apply the film simulation you’ve set in your camera, then it seems there’s a problem, as it should.
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I can't believe it is a year later and C1 STILL does NOT import the FujiFilm Simulation used in the camera, so that you know what simulation you used for each picture. How is it possible that it does not read this as part of the EXIF data???
It certainly applies the simulations to the photos...but cannot tell you what it was that was applied!
This is crazy in 2022. Then when I try to submit a feature request for this I am instructed to add Logs in order to do so. C1 still feels like an organization that is out of touch with its users and frankly doesn't care about them. LightRoom does provide this information and has for years...
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