How to copy Layers?

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  • Guido Garotti

    Hello Liliia,

    Thank you for your help. I would like to build on the question as above. I also benefit from the ability to copy individual layers from one image to another, that one is a very helpful improvement. However, I believe many of us find a major drawback because copied layers are automatically added on top of the existing ones. It would be much nicer to choose between adding them on top OR updating the existing ones with the same name.

    It's true that after copying and pasting layers I can delete the unwanted ones, however - according to my knowledge - this has to be done image by image and when editing a large number of images this is a huge pain.

    Maybe there is a workaround?

    Problem example: I am working on 100 images from the same shoot. I edit one of them creating the general look using three basic layers: "curve", "levels", "color balance". I go on copy/pasting these three layers on the other 99. From here I go on adjusting the single images according to the individual content: therefore I am adding more individual layers, gradients here and there, and so on... Then I realise that I want to adjust the previously created "color balance" layer on all the 100 images.

    What is the quickest way to do this?

    Hope I spoke my mind.

    Thanks!

     

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  • Lily

    Hi Guido,

     

    Thank you for the question.

    In Capture One 20, the Layers workflow has been changed - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AudFNgu2iD8

    Thus, the copied Layers will be added on top of the existing ones but will not replace them.

    For now, the only workaround is to edit/delete Layers manually in Capture One 20.

    Thank you for the suggestion on the possibility to choose among the options to add the copied Layers on top or replace the existing ones or updating the existing Layers with the same name. I will forward your request to the Product Management team. 

    Best regards,

    Lily

     

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  • Guido Garotti

    Hello Lily,

    Thank you for your comment. If editing/deleting layers manually on multiple images is the only option, then being able to choose whether adding or replacing or updating existing individual layers is a very critical feature. If that will not be implemented, when batch processing images, users will have to continue manipulating images mostly on the background layer as opposed to creating new layers because copy-pasting background settings on multiple images is right now the only way to update a number of images automatically.

    Also it would really help (an this would be an obvious workaround for the problem above) to be able to delete specific layers which appear over a number of images. See again the "problem example" in my previous comment and imagine that I want to delete my "curve" layer across 100 images. Doing that manually is of course a waste of time.

    To sum this up, C1-20's new layer management tool is amazing when editing a handful of images but in the real world it requires serious improvement with batch processing workflow logic.

    Best!

    G

     

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  • Mark Excell

    HI. 

     

    I agree with the above. The stacking of layers and not overwriting is a massive issue for me and has cause my shooting workflow to slow down.

    Please fix this ASAP.

    Thanks

    Mark

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  • nick photo

    I totally agree! Surely there could be a work around for this??
    I just upgraded to 20 from 11 today, and was really looking forward to the improved layer functionality, but for my workflow this it is almost useless!

    If there was an option to replace or update copied layers with the same name it would be so much more useful. Almost unusable like this for my workflow. Considering going back to 11!

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  • Keith Wilson

    I can add a Plus 1 to this request... I shoot a lot of Timelapse and Panoramic images so being able to update existing layers is a critical step in the workflow

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  • Tim Walters

    When your on a busy set, this new workflow is just an extra step that just takes more time .Now you have to reset, then paste . Please make an option to overwrite ,or add to existing layers

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  • Lily

    Hi Tim,

    Thank you for the feedback.

    I will forward your comments and suggestions to the Product Management team.

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  • SFA

    Tim,

    If you are resetting you zap the crop.

    Have you cropped at that point?

    If you have, is the crop the same for all images? (In  my case that would be unlikely but in your scenario it might well be the same.

    If so you would be able to include the crop in the copy form you newly edited version of in image to all of the others.

    Instead of resetting just create a New Variant for all of the selected images. Once done the new variants should all be currently selected.

    Now copy (if you have not already copied to populate the clipboard) and paste the edits to the already selected new variants. Promote the variants to make them the preferred variant of the image.

    If you are absolutely sure you don't want the previous version you have the option to select them all by Variant Position and delete them. However realistically you would not NEED to do that at the time on set. Also there may be times when keeping the previous edits might just be useful?

    If cropping is involved and the original crop is to be retained on an image by image basis life gets more complex. HOWEVER by creating a new variant the original crop would have been retained with the original variant and would ba available for copying if desired.

    As you mentioned "reset" but not crops I'm not sure what your needs are.

    I offer this as an immediately available option for your workflow that you may not have identified already. Not a full solution perhaps but something that may be useful.

     

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  • Paul Suesse

    The is the most annoying update i have ever seen in an update. 

    So if i am processing and i copy all including the layer and paste on a new image, all is well. Now if i make an exposure adjustment to the second image and copy and paste again in a third image the third image will have 2 layers, the third 3 the fourth 4 all while making the layer adjustment (whatever that was) more potent in each image. 

    Am i supposed to Copy adjustments of an image, then paste it on a new one, go delete the second layer, adjust the image copy again, paste on a third image and do it all over again ? 

    Or do i have to go in to turn off the layer from being copied everything i want to adjust an image.

     

    How does this make sense ? What is the purpose of adding unwanted layers ? 

    You have make my workflow slower not faster

    Please fix this issue ASAP or at least a way to turn it off. 

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  • nick photo

    Yes 100%, does anyone actually like or find benefit with this new system?
    When would you ever want multiple layers of the same thing?? Madness.

    Hopefully, they hear these messages and do something to fix it!
    Even a legacy mode so it switches back to how it used to be

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  • Chris Flynn

    Add me to list of people who want this fixed. Really makes large batch editing a nightmare. 

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  • Tim Walters

    I couldn't agree more. When you have thousands of images to process and drives to burn, and the Art Director is actually waiting on the hard drive, and its Friday.Anything that slows me down and makes my life more miserable Sucks! There is absolutely no need for this! Whoever wanted it ( if anyone actually wanted it) definitely is not a working in a active commercial studio

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  • Ian McCausland

    This actually makes adjusting huge number of files SLOWER... I have to essentially RESET the images I want to apply the changes to, to ensure I don't double up on layers.

     

    I agree with others WHO requested this feature and WHO does it benefit? HOW do I request its removal!

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  • Tim Walters

    I couldn't agree more Ian!

     

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  • Brad Trent

    I am literally at the point where I want to steal a cement truck and dump it's full load into the lobby of the Capture One Building so they can see how Goddamned slow your workflow can be when you have to slog through wet cement...cuz that is EXACTLY what we are all dealing with when we have to manually delete layers for EVERY file in what for users can typically be tens if not HUNDREDS of gigabytes of files! Didn't ANYONE at Phase think to ask any actual photographers who use C1 what they thought of this new 'feature' before adding it to C1 v20?!! Jesus H Christ...my workflow is screwed! On a shoot yesterday, my Art Director wanted me to change a few things that were added in layers and it took me FOREVER to do what was once a two-step easy as pie action!!! IT MADE ME LOOK LIKE AN AMATEUR!!! And now today, here I sit with over 50GB of files that I have to pick through and delete layers forever before I can re-edit those files to where they should be for final output. My normal processing workflow has gone from maybe half an hour to an entire day!!!!! EDIT... DON’T KNOW IF IT’S STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE IN HERE FOR POSTS TO BE EDITED BY THE MODERATORS OF THIS BOARD, BUT I REALLY DON’T APPRECIATE MY WORDS GETTING EDITED! IF A MODERATOR HAS A PROBLEM WITH ANYTHING I WROTE, HOW ABOUT SENDING ME AN EMAIL AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT? YOU KNOW HOW TO REACH ME.....

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  • Tim Walters

    Brad, I couldn't agree more! The fastest thing I've found is to select all the files then use the reset all layers icon , then copy and paste. Its works, but still a pain when it shouldn't be there at all!

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  • Paul Suesse

    Brad Trent, I’ll be your wingman.

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  • Guido Garotti

    Hey Tim,

    I believe your workaround can be only used if up to that point you have not yet created single adjustment layers based on specific images. Otherwise by resetting the layers panel on all the files you end up losing those single image-specific layers as well. Correct?

    G

     

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  • Brad Trent

    After talking to the guys at Fotocare in New York and a couple of other photographers who have been tearing their hair out over this new layer ‘feature’, I think the only real workaround is the reset button in the layers palate. But this is hardly an ideal solution, especially when processing multiple color and B&W variations of the same files as I am doing right now. In previous versions, doing a variation over multiple files was as simple as cloning a variant and pasting the date from a primary edited file.....now, every file must first have all of its previous data wipes by hitting the ‘Reset’ button in layers to remove all edited layers, then the new edit data can be pasted onto the variant. 

    But again...if anyone from Phase is listening...explain to me how pasting new edited layers on top of the original layers Is in any way desirable, because I don’t get it. Having the new layers and the old layers interact with the file doesn’t make sense. Where is the benefit? If I do a new edit and want to apply those changes over multiple files, I have zero need to keep the original layers and have them still active in the file! If you want to save your original edit for any reason, why not simply clone a variant of that edit?!! This new ‘feature’ adds no value as far can see, but greatly impacts workflow times by increasing the number of steps required to do additional edits to the same file.

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  • Tim Walters

    Brad . I agree. Please send Capture One Support the same message. I have sent three so far. I dont know who requested this ridiculous feature, but all the working pros need to have our voice heard! That way hopefully they will remove it, or at least have some kind of option to disable it!

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  • Ian McCausland

    Glad you're leading the charge on this Brad you're being as passionate as I was when I had a client point out problems with a huge session due to this "feature"

    Hitting reset and then pasting that's not a workaround, that's a UI fail.

    Can someone point us to the one photographer this feature benifited? He must have some sway at Capture One.

    Between this and the horrible decision to make this forum white type on a black background as part of the rebrand... (another huge Accessibility/ UI fail)  My faith in this company has been shaken.

     

     

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  • Brad Trent

    Thanks Ian...I’m doing what I can to make this issue known. As for the white type...I’m sure somebody told the webmaster at Phase that kids like ‘Dark Mode’.....🤦‍♂️

    If someone from Phase would just stick their head in here to let us know they’re at least listening, it might take a bit of the snark out of our comments! And then I could move on to ask them if they could make it possible to add a ‘legacy’ mode to the Color Editor tool, cuz I truly hate the color buttons in v20 💀

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  • Ian McCausland

    I did a screen shot of your rant and shared it on a instagram story, tagging Capture One and I had this reply to it:

     

    "Hi Ian, thanks for the heads up - we already have Brad's feedback with our developers. Meanwhile he can select all the relevant target images and just hit Reset on the Layers tool before pasting - that would fix it for him."

     

    So I am thinking they are watching this thread.

    They better be! ...When you get Canadians angry you should know you've really stepped in it!

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  • Tim Walters

    We can only hope

     

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  • Brad Trent

    Great! So instead of answering our questions HERE on their own site, they answer an Instagram story that will disappear and do nobody any good! And their answer still begs the question, what purpose does this new layer behavior serve?!! And why do I now hafta select all images and delete all layers before re-editing???

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