We need movies to be fully supported in the catalog with all cataloging features
What problem do you see this solving?
Videos on the catalog are not treated as first class citizens. In fact, they are barely supported. Pretty much all that works reliably is import and playing the video. Very little of the cataloging features work. As video media is an important part of many photographer's work now and catalogs are meant to be used to keep track of your media, this creates a major problem trying to manage any shoot that consists of both photos and videos. Here's a partial list of things that don't work for videos:
- If you have a selection that includes videos and you go to export that selection, the videos won't export.
- Videos don't work in smart collections.
- You can't set keywords on videos. When you try, you get a message "The action can not be applied to any of the selected items." Even though keywords are stored in the database, not in the media itself, it is specifically disallowing the setting of a keyword on a video. As a software developer, a proper implementation of things like keywords would work just fine on any type of object in the catalog. It should not matter what type of object it is. It feels as though there must have been some bug somewhere related to keywords and videos and the way around the bug was to just disable them entirely as there's clearly a specific check to see if a video is in the selection.
- Videos don't sort properly for several sort orders. For example, if you sort by Date, the movies go all to the top or bottom of the order. It appears to not know what the date of the movie is. Only sort by filename works properly. If you're merging media from two different cameras on a shoot, you have no means of sorting movies in the order taken.
- Keyboard shortcuts for setting a rating don't work on videos in the Library
- None of the movie metadata show in the metadata panel
When was the last time you were affected by this lack of functionality, or specific tool?
Any shoot that includes videos.
Are you using any workarounds or other solutions to achieve your goals in Capture One?
There aren't really work-arounds other than lots of manual, time-consuming work. I'm unable to use many of Capture One's features like smart collections because they don't work properly with videos, so I have to do anything with a video manually and can't use the catalog. Because there aren't really work-arounds, I may have to abandon Capture One to use a catalog that treats videos as a first class citizen and supports ALL cataloging features with videos (such as Lightroom).
Are you happy to be contacted further about this suggestion or request?
Yes.
Note: I'm not asking for any editing features for movies (though Lightroom has some features built-in such as specifying output formats when exporting movies and simple movie trimming). I just want ALL features in the catalog to work with movies.
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There are professional ways of managing video files, and C1 is not the tool for that. Nor is Lightroom. Photography and filmmaking are very different mediums, with drastically different requirements. If you need a pro post video workflow, hire an assistant editor or editor for video. Or consult with one to help you build that workflow yourself.
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J6ones - that may well be so. But it would still be useful to be able to do some stuff with videos. If I take stills and videos on the same occasion, it would at least be helpful to be able to set the same keywords on them, and to have them sort in the right order. For myself I don't expect to edit videos in Capture One, but at least enhancing the cataloguing capabilities for them would be welcome.
Ian
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Yes, agreed, nobody here expresses the wish that C1 should add video editing capabilites or support a professional video editing workflow, whatever that means.
All we want is to organize the video files like the other (image) files from the camera. Rating, tagging, some metadata edits / keywording, sorting and filtering/smart filtering, searching.
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Yes, it's just about cataloguing (no editing). And so the video files have to sort in the right order with the image files to get a correct overview of the shooting timeline.
When importing with simultaneous adding date and time to the filename, I realized that the importer also does not recognize daylight saving time (just for the video files).
So when sorting by name, they are still not in the right order... (and also named incorrectly on disk...)
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Very well, I can agree it’s odd they even allow the files to import but they can’t be organized.
Viewing and modifying video metadata however is very different coding from image data, so I could see why C1 maybe hasn’t tackled this yet.
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All we want is to organize the video files like the other (image) files from the camera. Rating, tagging, some metadata edits / keywording, sorting and filtering/smart filtering, searching.
Yep, that's it. Just treat it like a regular element of the catalog that you can use the normal cataloging functions on - no editing required. No editing of video-specific metadata required. Smart Albums (based on keywords) is where I felt like I can no longer use a key feature of C1 if my family trip happens to have ONE video that I want in a smart album. The entire thing breaks. Then, heaven forbid, you want to export a selection that includes a video. Can't do that either. Can't rate. Can't keyword. Can't sort properly. It really does make you wonder why they even bother letting you import videos since most cataloging features are completely unsupported for videos.
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Fully agree with John Friend. I'm just asking for video to be ORGANIZED in the catalog, not to be edited or adjusted or anything else a proper software could do much better, with a plugin like Topaz Photo AI.
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