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Curves and Levels in the iPad app (and the iPhone app)

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  • Jeremy Henderson

    Yes this is surely a basic editing tool ?

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  • Evi K
    Product Manager

    Hello! Ekkehard Schwartz thanks for the suggestion :) Can you share how you are using the iPad app currently? and why editing with the iPad is important for you (save time from working on computer? convenience? faster time to delivery? something else?)

    Jeremy Henderson nice to see you here :) feel free to answer the same questions as Ekkehard if you feel like it :)

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  • Jeremy Henderson

    Hi Evi :-).  

    1. Curves and levels are one of the most essential tools for managing the tones of the image. I use them all the time on the desktop app, sometimes a number of times (on different layers, and with different masks). Without them you can't see the potential of the image (in the field) or edit it properly (back in your hotel room, or home)

    2. I'm affected by it every time I consider subscribing to CaptureOne Mobile :-). And decide not to as it (stil)l doesn't meet my needs.

    3. My workaround is to use another software. Not ideal as I like CaptureOne and I have a lot of investment (time and money) in CaptureOne and I'd prefer to not see it go to waste !!

    4. Very happy to discuss further :-)

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  • Ekkehard Schwartz

    Hi Evi,

    My comments are very similar to Jeremy's:

    1. I use curves and tools for almost all editing I do in the desktop app, both for color and black&white images. Without these tools in Capture One Mobile I often won't get even close to the final edit which forces me to do most of the editing in Capture One Pro, even for "simpler" editing needs. I find it easy to carry my iPad Pro alongside with my camera, and I like the existing integration of Capture One Mobile with the Apple Photos app. I really appreciate the convenience and speed of a mobile workflow, - although it certainly is not for all editing needs it can deliver decent images in many cases, and -maybe even more important - the ability to explore the potential of the image while still being on site. 

    2. Almost every day as I process many images in a mobile workflow.

    3. Workaround is either to do the final editing in Capture One Pro (and yes, I would prefer a decent cloud solution for that) or another mobile application.

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  • Volodymyr Cuza

    Hi everyone,

    I would like to join the request!

    I use curves for every single photo I process in Capture One Pro for desktop.

    I would like to fully switch to the Mobile version, which I actually subscribed to few month ago, and I do hope that Phase one will add this functionality rather soon.

     

    Best regards,

    Volodymyr.

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  • Cory Fontenot

    Please! Curves is the only thing keeping me from using the app. 

    Very frustrating to edit without the option. Only dependent on presets.

    -Thanks! 

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  • Julien Apruzzese

    We absolutely need curve !

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  • Volodymyr Cuza

    The same goes for Levels, I use them for setting white and black points on every single photo!

     

    Best regards,

    Volodymyr

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  • Evi K
    Product Manager

    Hello everyone and thank you all for your feedback :) It's super helpful. Let me add a follow up question:

    - what type of photography are you into? 

    -when and why is it important for you to do the editing (at least the more advanced editing) on iPad and iPhone? 

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  • Volodymyr Cuza

    Hi Evi,

     

    thanks a lot for the reply!

    I'm mostly into travel photography and my goal is to completely move to the mobile version of the Capture One (I'm using it on the iPad Pro M1).

    I'm not expecting Mobile version to have all the functionality of the desktop version, at least for now, but to be able to do more or less thorough editing on the go I really need Levels as it's the first thing I check when I edit my photographs on desktop.

    The second and the third things are Curves and Spot Removal, but I can manage without them for some time. 

     

    Best regard,

    Volodymyr

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  • Evi K
    Product Manager

    Cool! Thanks for sharing Volodymyr!

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  • William Carlson

    Wanted to add a note that I too find the lack of the levels tool limiting.  My standard flow uses this to set black and white points and in CaptureOne Pro for desktop it is my go-to adjustment.  I think the interface could be quite simpler than the full-blown version and still be useful.  Don't really need the secondary histogram, just a dial to set the levels.   Making it work in auto-mode like on the desktop would be great too.

    Even without this, being able to use the iPad for my first round of cull, crop, rotate, etc is a game changer!  Makes me so much more productive since I can do it anywhere!   But for me the very next step in getting the lighting right, I find levels the most useful tool. So I have to stop there and transfer to desktop mode.   

    Thanks, and I really hope you find a way to add a levels tool.

    Bill

     

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  • Ronin

    Evi-K How high on the list are levels / curves for the next updates? What about masks? Thank you. 

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  • FirstName LastName

    I am exclusively a mobile user, I run everything off my iPad. I use lightroom mobile to handle all my basic raw processing needs… however, I don’t like Adobe much. Literally the only thing stopping me from moving to capture one for my workflow is the lack of curves. It’s essential to my workflow as I photograph on film and then use my digital camera and a macro lens to “scan” the negs, then I use curves to invert the image. Absolutely crucial. That paired with the ability to tether would make the monthly payment for capture one a complete no brainer.

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  • Evi K
    Product Manager

    Hello and thanks for sharing. You have a very interesting workflow.. How come you prefer Lightroom for your RAW conversion? and can you share a few words about the type of photography you are into? What else are you missing apart from curves?

    We know that the app lacks some basic editing capabilities and we will be working on it, after we add some tethering related improvements like Live view and camera controls. 

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  • Jeff Whetstone

    I just got Capture one for phone.  I will delete it today. No curves? No levels?  Why not just use the iphone software then? I guess i'll keep searching for good software for iphone.  Lightroom seems to have the functionality I need, but ughh. Adobe.  So sad that Capture One, which i have been a user of for almost a decade rolled out such a non-pro product.

     

     

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  • David Cohen de Lara

    Levels and Curves are ESSENTIAL editing tools. All of the styles I create myself depend on them. I've been on C1 for well over a decade but I'm new to C1 mobile and I was baffled that Levels and Curves are missing. 

    Please add ASAP.  

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  • Mike McTeer

    I purchased the Capture One mobile app and was surprised that there were no curve tools available. I will cancel the subscription and go back to Lightroom for my iPad until these tools are available in the Capture One mobile app.

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  • William Carlson

    Just wondering if there was any update on this feature?   Many many people have requested it (and in more recent posts than this one too) and yet it sits at "logged", not even "in the works". 

    If you are really not planning to implement this in, like the next 6 months or so, it would be very useful for your user base to know that.  For me this is really important because I find the app both extremely useful and highly disruptive to my workflow as I set levels very early in my lighting workflow, so essentially all I can do now is do culling/rate and crop/straighten on iPad and then need to transfer to desktop. 

    It would be sooo much more useful to be able to do more of my workflow on the iPad, and many of the exposure/hdr/clarity/sharpness/etc adjustments are highly attractive, but I find I need to redo them all after setting levels on the desktop.

    As I posted in another thread, all I really need is "levels", not "curves".  That seems to be a much simpler thing to implement as the UI should be quite similar to the other tools like HDR/expsure/etc.

    Thanks so much (in advance) for your attention to this!

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  • Evi K
    Product Manager

    Hello William Carlson, thanks for the feedback. This is a far question. We have this in the pipeline but we don't have a specific timeline yet, that's why it's not yet in the works. We are in the process of reviewing our roadmap for the next six months, if something changes, we will let you know. Have you tried using HDR and contrast or import a Style from Capture One on your computer to compensate for this?

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  • Jeremy Henderson

    Victor made a post on facebook suggesting these improvements are coming soon. Or was my interpretation incorrect?

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  • Evi K
    Product Manager

    If you are referring to the one he posted on the 23rd, it's definitely not about this :) 

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  • Jeremy Henderson

    Ok. My mistake!!

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  • Evi K
    Product Manager

    No worries :) If you are a user who tethers, I believe you will be excited with the update even if it doesn't include levels and curves.

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  • David Cohen de Lara

    I don't understand why the iPad app has to be so different from desktop in every possible way. I understand that some things have to work differently, but this is an app that has nothing to do with the real C1. It feels like a cheap third party app that you try once and then forget about. 

    As a professional, my use case for C1 Mobile would be to whip out the iPad when we need to be really mobile for either the whole shoot or just a few shots, and then transfer that session to Desktop for further editing. But there isn't even a session, you can't use the styles you created on Desktop, file management is a mess, the two handed adjustment method is a cruel joke, etc etc etc. Whyyyyyyyyyy? 

    I guess I know why. The marketing managers at C1 think there is more money in creating a toy app for amateurs than a useful tool for professionals. 

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  • Evi K
    Product Manager

    Hello David Cohen de Lara and thanks for the feedback. The mobile app has indeed many differences comparing to its desktop counterpart. These differences are the result of conscious decisions from our end and some resource limitations that don't allow us to build everything we would like to into the app, as soon as we would love to. I have explained here Enhancing the CaptureOne iOS App for a Better Editing Experience - Capture One our reasoning behind it. I am sorry that the app does not meet your expectations however there are thousands of professionals using it today and it has changed their workflow for the better. We acknowledge the file management limitations and we are trying to bring it faster to life. Feel free to browse our community posts and to add your suggestions to the respective posts. We would love it if you could share a few words about your workflow and why the specific requests are important to you. Thanks again.

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  • Jeremy Henderson

    Evi - I’m a user who would occasionally like to tether wirelessly, but I couldn’t make it work on my Z8 at any speed faster than glacial. Maybe I’ll try again if I have nothing to do one afternoon.
    As for the old editing question, maybe it’s just a question of expectations. I can’t think of another app of any sort where the “Mobile app” has a completely different function and feature set from the “Desktop app”, so maybe it’s natural for folk to be confused when the `functionality of CaptureOne Mobile is so different from CaptureOne Desktop?

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  • Ronin

    @Jeremy Henderson: I think you are right. People do have expectations to get professional functionality comparable to the gear Capture One desktop app.

    The expectations also come from competitive app offerings where some low cost or even free apps offer those basic editing features and even go much beyond with sophisticated masking tools etc.

    If the C1 app was better in functionality I think this might convert more people into Capture One and its ecosystem. I would still like to go the non mainstream road (i.e. Lightroom) and will further observe developments.

    For the moment the app seems most adequate for tethering applications mainly.

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  • Ekkehard Schwartz

    I have been evaluating the LR Mobile app - my learning so far is that it is not any substitute for LR Classic, it doesn't come even close. I find myself having to re-adjust every single picture in the desktop app. It starts with the iPad display which is (as far as I know) not calibrated and doesn't end with missing functionality (e.g. RGB readout) plus sync issues.

    This obviously raises the question of the meaning of a mobile app altogether, regardless of C1 or LR. Having to re-adjust every photo is not an efficient workflow, and I have stopped using the mobile app for editing photos other than quick&dirty. For any precision work the mobile apps (both C1 and LR) are of minor use to me. As I am not using the tethering functionality I use the mobile app mainly for collecting and culling. 

    In terms of marketing I think it would beneficial to better explain the purpose and strengths of Capture One Mobile, call it expectation management if you like. How could a meaningful workflow look like given that you need the full power of Capture One anyways?

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  • David Cohen de Lara

    Hi Evi-K

    I understand the resource limitations. Although iPads have M1 and M2 chips now too so they should have plenty of power to run a full version of C1, I'm sure there are some technical constraints that I don't know about.

    I'm not sure I understand the 'conscious decisions'. For instance the decision to require TWO HANDS to make any kind of adjustment. That's just absolutely bonkers to me. You could have done what so many other apps do: scroll vertically through your parameters, and drag each parameter left or right to change it. Easy, intuitive, elegant. One motion, done. But instead of this, I have to TAP THE PARAMETER TO SELECT IT, and then  go to the OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE SCREEN to drag a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DIAL in order to change that parameter. In what universe does that make sense? 

    Also this interface seems like it's designed to be used with two hands, which would maybe be ok until you remember that the user is photographer who might have a camera in one hand. Shooting tethered with the iPad on a stand, the two handed interface is just infuriating. 

    The way the tools scroll and pop open is also highly annoying and a huge waste of screen real estate. At the very least let us open multiple tools at once and scroll through them rather than having to scroll AND open and close things every time we want to change tools. 

    I could go on but I won't. You asked about my workflow but I'm not sure there's going to be one with the app being so janky. What I would LIKE to do is shoot tethered like I normally do to a MBP, but to a lighter and more portable device. But then the interface would have to be a lot better, and most importantly styles and sessions would have to be compatible between the desktop and mobile app. I was foolishly assuming they would be, and deeply disappointed that they are not. 

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