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Dxo Pureraw 3 (DNG) + Fuji Film simulation in C1 23

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  • Colin GENTILE

    Hi !
    I would be glad to know what C1 staff could say about that.
    I think it's more of a DxO problem when writing down the DNG file.
    Same thing here : when the Fujifilm's RAF file is edited by DxO PureRAW, C1 won't apply Fujifilm's simulation filters anymore.
    Too bad, because it would be very convenient !
    Noise reduction into C1 isn't as performant as others.
    But everything else in C1 is top notch !!

    Thanks good people @ C1 !

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  • Simon Painter

    I've come across this as well. In lightroom you seem to be still able to use the Fujifilm profiles so I don't think it's a DXO issue. It would be great to be able to use this workflow and still have access to the Fujifilm film profiles.

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  • O.B. Beukema

    Both Lightroom and Camera Raw are able to recognize DxO PureRaw DNG files that have been processed from Fuji RAF files. As such, both Lightroom and Camera Raw are able to apply the Fuji Film types from the camera used. I would think that Capture One should be able to similarly recognize the Fuji Camera information in DxO's PureRaw DNGs and enable the appropriate film types.

    I'm guessing that the problem for C1 is that it's not just a matter of turning on the switch for PureRaw, but something along the lines of PureRaw's files not exactly aligning with the color balance C1 has designed for their own Fuji RAF rendering.

    And, yes, it's a tradeoff. PureRaw, and Adobe, at this time really do make Fuji's 40mp sensor serviceable.

     

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  • Michael W.

    Hi guys,
    did anyone of you hear of a solution of the "won't apply the Fujifilm's simulation filters" after denoising with pure raw 4? Would love to have that working too!

    Or would there be any external film simulation presets that Fuji offers? Which we could then import into C1... into the "Styles and Presets" area...

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  • truepictures

    Unfortunately, DNG files can no longer be used with Fuji film simulations in C1. It does not matter whether the DNG file comes from DxO PureRaw or was generated by C1 itself (panorama stitching or HDR creation). This is a real shortcoming for Fuji users and despite reporting it to support, no efforts have been made to solve this problem specific to C1.

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  • Richard JOnes

    Yeah, it's pretty annoying, i can't believe that as a Fuji shooter i'm actually seriously considering going back to lightroom (perish the thought)

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  • Richard JOnes

    Yep, i get the reasoning behind it. it just grates a bit when Lightroom CAN do it, combine this with the fact all the dng file i import are still underexposed by at least 3 quarters of a stop (reported to C1 support a while ago by many of us) 
    C1 just isn't the "go to" software for fuji users it once was

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  • Walter Rowe
    Moderator
    Top Commenter

    The reason LR can do it, and possibly why LR has worse output from Fuji, is that LR converts everything to DNG internally as its working file format. Capture One always works from the camera native raw source when available.

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  • Christian Velten

    This CO feature request might benefit from additional votes ... 😉
    https://captureone.ideas.aha.io/ideas/FR-I-1264

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  • Maciej Kozłowski

    Walter Rowe, thank You for explain this.
    I'm quite surprised by information You provide, regards LR is working on .dng files instead of native RAW files.
    You sure about that? Or perhaps do You have any source for this information?

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  • truepictures

    Just as Adobe transforms the camera manufacturers' RAW files into the lowest common denominator DNG for processing, Adobe always converts color values (RGB/CMYK) to LAB, processes them and then calculates them so that they can be output in the desired color space with a defined color profile. 

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  • truepictures

    To add to the confusion about DNG files and Fuji film simulations, the following facts: it depends on whether the DNG file is generated by Fuji itself or comes from a third-party provider - when it comes to processing in C1. A DNG file that is rendered in the Fuji App Shift Combiner (Pixel Shift Multi shots) can easily be provided with a Fuji film simulation in C1. This means that C1 can very well add Fuji film simulations to a DNG. If C1 creates a panorama/HDR DNG from Fuji RAW, important Fuji information is obviously lost, which prevents the application of Fuji film simulations. In this respect, at least at this point, it is a problem of C1 and its interpretation algorithm and not the DNG format in and of itself. What Fuji can do should also be possible for C1 - especially as there are good connections between C1 and Fuji. There may well be compatibility problems with DNG from third-party providers such as Adobe or DxO.

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  • Walter Rowe
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    Top Commenter

    The DNG created by C1 HDR and Pano Stitch is a linear RGB file. It is not true RAW data. This is why it cannot apply the camera film curves.

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  • truepictures

    Thank you Walter for this information. This explains why Fuji film simulations are not applicable in this case. In principle, it is not a problem, as the data can certainly be processed. However, it is not easy for the user to achieve a uniform look of a series of images based on a Fuji film simulation. If a panorama looks different from a corresponding single shot, this is immediately noticeable. Adjustment is then more of a hassle than a pleasure.

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  • Walter Rowe
    Moderator
    Top Commenter

    The film simulation profiles are developed to be used with camera native raw files. DNG files coming out of DxO are linear RGB files, not camera native raw.

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