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Keystone Tool Improvements

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  • FirstName LastName

    Just a brief addition to this. Not everyone uses a mouse, and using tablet/trackpad gestures for this task is just as inefficient as using a scroll wheel. What's needed is a precise and efficient way of placing adjustment points correctly such as the option requested here or a loupe like Lightroom's.

    But considering how long it took the company to make the keystone tool work correctly (about ten years, I believe, from it was introduced to it was fixed in version 15.2.0), and the lack of lack of priority given to basic features – e.g. the loupesaving adjustment point positions when Capture One is closed geometry dash world, and unlocking horizontal and vertical adjustment points – I doubt there will be much improvement in this area any time soon.

    Thank you for your additional input.The suggestion of incorporating options like a loupe, similar to Lightroom's functionality, could indeed offer a more accurate way of adjusting points. This would be particularly beneficial for tasks that require precise adjustments.

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  • Thomas Kyhn
    Top Commenter

    This would be useful.

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  • Boris Tomsic

    There already is a shortcut to zoom in to 100%:  press the "." key (full stop) and "," (comma) to return to fit to screen,
    or does that not work in your situation, or am I missing something?

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  • Thomas Kyhn
    Top Commenter

    With the current zoom to 100% shortcut you will have to pan around the image to locate each adjustment point. As I understand it, the request is for a zoom shortcut that zooms to a specific adjustment point.

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  • Ian van der Wolde

    Thanks Boris, but what Thomas says is correct. A zoom in to the control point or cursor is what I am seeking as panning around is a pain and time consuming when correcting many images. To zoom straight int to the control point for precise placement and then zoom back out quickly is at the touch of a shortcut key is what I feel is needed to really to add polish and streamline the keystone correction process

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  • Thomas Kyhn
    Top Commenter

    Having to zoom in and out is indeed unnecessarily time-consuming. A loupe tool could have solved the problem too, but apparently this has no priority (see this request).

    (NB: remember to vote for your own request.)

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  • Boris Tomsic

    Yeh ok, but you can already do that too.
    When you want to zoom in to a specific point on the image, hold the cursor over that point and zoom in with the scroll wheel. So you scroll/zoom-in to the first control point, adjust it, scroll/zoom-out, hold the cursor over the next control point and zoom-in, adjust, zoom-out, etc.
    How is that different from what you're asking for, except you're pressing a key instead of scrolling? This would be less efficient as you're using both mouse and keyboard, rather than just the mouse as you currently would.
    Unless you want it to automatically jump to each control point without zooming out between adjusting each one? But you said "a shortcut key such as the spacebar that when you a position the keystone tool points you depress the shortcut key and it zooms to %100 and returns to normal view when the key is released"
    Or am I still missing something?

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  • Ian van der Wolde

    Thanks Boris,

    Yes I am aware of that and it is a workaround albeit a clumsy one. 

    The idea of a shortcut key is to snap in and out instantly to the control point being adjusted. The same way ICC profiling software works when you are finding the corners of a colour chart or the way Lightroom does it, It's instant and quick to snap in and out and incredibly efficient, just as the Loupe tool is when wanting to check focus. The Loupe Tool would be perfect, but doesn't work when other tools are selected unfortunately.

    (For the record I don't like Lightroom or use it and have been a C1 Pro user since V1.2, but this is one feature which LR does do better)

    The work around you describe is clumsy and requires panning to find the control point and is exactly the reason I have requested this feature as it is time consuming when working on a large number of files.

    Double clicking on the control point with the pan tool is actually a better workaround IMHO but requires a tool change from Keystone to Pan to Keystone for each corner.

    To be able to hit a key when adjusting a control point to instantly enlarge that point to %100 for precise adjusting and then return to normal view when the key released is extremely quick and efficient and already proven in other software applications.

    Another possible option would be for the loupe to automatically appear highlighting the control point when adjusting and disappear automatically once the cursor has left that point.

    Either would work for me.

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  • Boris Tomsic

    Hmm, now I think that you're missing something. There's no need to pan around searching for control points.
    1. set to display keystone control points;
    2. hold cursor over first control point, scroll/zoom-in, adjust, scroll/zoom-out;
    3. hold cursor over 2nd control point, scroll/zoom-in, adjust, scroll/zoom-out;
    etc.
    The only difference I can see to what you originally requested is a short-cut key instead of scrolling. Scrolling also allows you to zoom-in more if necessary, but with a short-cut it would be fixed at say 100%.
    Yes, double clicking on the control point would be ideal, though I don't see a huge time saving over scrolling. You'd still have to zoom out again to show the other control points, then double click, as opposed to scrolling.

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  • Ian van der Wolde

    Hi Boris,

    Zooming in with the scroll wheel definitely requires panning on my system.

    I'm on a Mac Studio running the latest version of Ventura with a 32" 4K Display.

    When I scroll in on my cursor on the top 2 control points I can still see the control points on the screen and can easily move my cursor back to them accordingly (The cursor doesn't lock to the control point), however when I scroll into the bottom control points they disappear out of the bottom of the screen and panning is required to bring them back into view and the whole process to me seems somewhat clumsy and more time consuming than necessary.

    My suggestion would lock the view to the control point so that panning isn't required. It is essentially just a magnified view of the control point for fine adjustment.

    I think you missunderstood me, double clicking is what I currently do now as a work around. 

    If you have access to Lightroom have a look at their approach, which is similar to how the old Profile Maker software handled a similar function.

    With due respect, as I said earlier, I am a long term user of C1 Pro and have explored most work arounds to this situation and am not really interested in debating work around procedures unless there is actually a way to achieve what I am asking that I am unaware of.

    When recently presenting for Phase One & Capture One here in Australia I actually asked a representative from Phase One Europe who was visiting if there was an easier way to do what I was requesting and was told there wasn't. I discussed what I would like and was instructed to present a request for it here. What I am currently doing works and works well, however it includes more steps that needed and I feel it could work a whole lot better.

    If there was a reasonable workaround to this issue I wouldn't have made this request.

     

     

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  • Boris Tomsic

    Ahh ok, a Mac laptop may well be different from a Windows desktop.
    And yeh, I see now what you mean about locking the control points.
    I don't have Lr and never plan to, especially considering comments like from yourself and many others.
    Wish you success with your request

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  • Ian van der Wolde

    Thanks Boris, Happy editing 👌

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  • Thomas Kyhn
    Top Commenter

    Just a brief addition to this. Not everyone uses a mouse, and using tablet/trackpad gestures for this task is just as inefficient as using a scroll wheel. What's needed is a precise and efficient way of placing adjustment points correctly such as the option requested here or a loupe like Lightroom's.

    But considering how long it took the company to make the keystone tool work correctly (about ten years, I believe, from it was introduced to it was fixed in version 15.2.0), and the lack of lack of priority given to basic features – e.g. the loupe, saving adjustment point positions when Capture One is closed, and unlocking horizontal and vertical adjustment points – I doubt there will be much improvement in this area any time soon.

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  • Thomas Kyhn
    Top Commenter

    As pointed out above, the request is for a zoom shortcut that zooms to a specific adjustment point so you don’t have to pan around the iimage.

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