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Edit Primary vs. Edit Selected variants toggle button?

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  • Paul Steunebrink
    (Highly) recommended reading:
    http://imagealchemist.net/variants-explained/
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  • ksignorini
    Read. Thanks Paul.

    So it makes all the Copy/Apply (Paste), Reset, etc. operations for adjustments apply to all selected images and not just the Primary.

    Why the heck do they call it "Edit" instead of "Applies to"? Edit implies that when you edit one you edit the other. Making adjustments to one with the sliders is an edit. This implies that moving the sliders would edit both.

    *Sigh*

    New terminology. I love CO8 so far for its capability, but some things are a little unintuitive in the UI for sure. Especially for Aperture or Lightroom users.

    Thanks!
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  • SFA
    I wonder sometimes if "Copyright" concerns require developers to go through contortions of coding and feature and function naming in order to avoid accusations of plagiarism.

    As for Patents ... Intellectual property Hell but something people have to do, it seems, to protect their investment of try to.

    Of course, as end users we don't seem to care one way or another ....



    Grant
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    ksignorini wrote:
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    Why the heck do they call it "Edit" instead of "Applies to"? Edit implies that when you edit one you edit the other. Making adjustments to one with the sliders is an edit. This implies that moving the sliders would edit both.

    Unambiguous naming is an art. 😉

    The "Edit All..." toggle is something overseen by many (new) users. I hope it would catch you unintentionally anymore.
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  • SFA
    ksignorini wrote:
    Read. Thanks Paul.



    Why the heck do they call it "Edit" instead of "Applies to"? Edit implies that when you edit one you edit the other. Making adjustments to one with the sliders is an edit. This implies that moving the sliders would edit both.

    *Sigh*



    I take your point but there is some logic to the way it works in that initiating a copy and apply process can be quickly performed.

    Making the initial adjustment may involve some experimental adjustments. If one has, say, 100 variants selected the processing and re-processing load could be a little excessive and make the process slow. Once happy with an change initiating a batch change makes more sense and loads the system only once. Think also that all changes in C1 are written immediately to disk so disk activity would be very high and the more activity over time the greater the potential risk for file handling errors.

    Removing a tool's adjustments, however is a single action rather than a set of adjustments to be experimented with so being able to do that directly for multiple images, as you can, makes sense.

    Turning the concept upside down for a minute ... if you have spent time gathering a whole group of images together to make changes but for SOME images you want to make further specific tweaks before continuing but not have those copied values apply to all of the set can be very useful.

    As for terminology .... I wonder how how well some of the nuanced descriptions translate from language to language ..... It must be very difficult to decide on the best word to use as a starting point!
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  • SFA
    I meant to mention above - if you are using Styles and Presets the "Edit all" toggle does apply to All (or not) as one might anticipate. Styles and presets are much the same concept as Copy to clip board so it is relatively logical to allow them to be applied in the same way.


    Grant
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  • ksignorini
    I agree it all seems to work well. Once I figured out what Edit All meant I played with a quick workflow and found it very quick to make further adjustments to individual images in a group of selected and synced ones. Being able to leave the group selected but switch the primary is very useful, and different than the other two programs.

    I just wish PO kept the terminology consistent across the app. They use Apply instead of Paste in some places and Edit All instead of Apply to All as discussed, sometimes there's Remove and other times Delete or Move to Trash, .... It seems like they need just one more internal meeting at R&D to clean the terminology up so all of us new switchers (there are many, and there will be many, many more) have an easier time of it.

    Thanks everyone!
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  • EnderWiggins
    Paul_Steunebrink wrote:
    (Highly) recommended reading:
    http://imagealchemist.net/variants-explained/

    May I join in with an add-on question?

    On the blog in the very first example shown, there is a picture with four variants. On the first one there is an additional symbol in the upper left corner, which can be used to stack/unstack the variants, as I understand it.

    When does this symbol actually show up? Because when I generate a new variant in my catalog, the first one gets the "1" in the upper right corner and the new variant gets a "2", that's it. This stacking symbol is missing.

    I first saw this when I imported some part of my Aperture library, but it never came up again when I generated new variants myself so far.
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  • SFA
    Probably ..... (I'm looking at a Windows system ....)

    IMAGE menu drop down. Collapse and Expand or Collapse All and Expand All.

    Or also .... you will see a symbol in the top left corner of the thumbnail. Looks like a stack with a tiny arrow next to it. Right click the symbol to Unstack/Stack where there are multiple variants for an image.

    HTH.


    Grant
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  • EnderWiggins
    SFA wrote:
    IMAGE menu drop down. Collapse and Expand or Collapse All and Expand All.
    Or also .... you will see a symbol in the top left corner of the thumbnail. Looks like a stack with a tiny arrow next to it. Right click the symbol to Unstack/Stack where there are multiple variants for an image.

    Not sure if I understand you correctly. Collapse/Expand all are greyed out in my menu.

    This little symbol you described is what I am actually looking for. It does not appear anywhere when I generate or clone a new variant. I just get another thumbnail, that's all. I can't collapse the stack.


    UPDATE: I think I figured it out myself. It seems to come up whenever I generate variants in an Album, but not in the Catalog view or in a project. Now if anybody could enlighten me with the philosophy behind this, I would be very grateful. 😕
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  • SFA
    Hi Mike,

    Ah, right.

    I have hardly looked at catalogues. It does sound a little odd so I too am looking forward to further input!


    Grant
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  • Paul Steunebrink
    MikeA wrote:
    Paul_Steunebrink wrote:
    (Highly) recommended reading:
    http://imagealchemist.net/variants-explained/

    May I join in with an add-on question?

    On the blog in the very first example shown, there is a picture with four variants. On the first one there is an additional symbol in the upper left corner, which can be used to stack/unstack the variants, as I understand it.

    When does this symbol actually show up? Because when I generate a new variant in my catalog, the first one gets the "1" in the upper right corner and the new variant gets a "2", that's it. This stacking symbol is missing.

    I first saw this when I imported some part of my Aperture library, but it never came up again when I generated new variants myself so far.

    The ability to stack/unstack a series of variants was independent of the collection you had selected in the Library tool. Unfortunately, CO8 has broken this a bit as you noticed. I consider this a bug and reported it already but it is still in 8.1.1.
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