History of adjustments and seeing the original
In Lightroom, one can see the whole adjustment history step by step with the possibility to return to any step (and cancel the following ones). Cannot see anything like this in C1 ?
Also - what is the key/step to quickly refer to the original before any adjustment was made ? (and back)
Also - what is the key/step to quickly refer to the original before any adjustment was made ? (and back)
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No history in CO.
To go back to the original, you can create a new variant, or use the temporary reset button (alt+reset IIRC).0 -
No history ? Hmm, this is a kind inconvenient glitch ?
where is reset IIRC ?0 -
violin108 wrote:
No history ? Hmm, this is a kind inconvenient glitch ?
where is reset IIRC ?
There's a reset button on the toolbar (arrow pointing round to the left ending on a vertical line). Clicking it resets the image to its starting point (if you click it by mistake use undo immediately) or clicking it while holding the Alt key resets it temporarily so that you can see a before and after.
As to the history, there never has been such a feature in C1 - not a glitch so much as a design decision.One of the features of Capture One is that (1) it doesn't really matter what order you make adjustments in - so for instance you can adjust the white balance before the exposure, or just as well do it in the other order; and (2) (as with many other raw converters, of course) all the adjustments are non-destructive so that you don't need to go back step by step to where you were three adjustments ago - you can just reset any adjustment you like without having to go back in the history to where you were when you made it. (Not that I can't see the value of being able to undo all the last three steps, see if it like it better and then redo them, just by choosing a point in the history.)
Ian0 -
violin108 wrote:
where is reset IIRC ?
See Ian3's answer. By the way, IIRC means If I Remember Correctly. 😊0 -
violin108 wrote:
No history ? Hmm, this is a kind inconvenient glitch ?
where is reset IIRC ?
Not the same as history, but I simply create new cloned variants at key processing stages, this uses up no extra disc space and makes it very easy to compare edits.
So variant 1, is the C1 default as reference, variant 2 is a clone of variant 1, where I add my initial technical edits, variant 3 is a clone of variant 2 where I add initial creative edits. Variant 4 is a clone of variant 3 where I test out alternative creative edits and view two up with variant 3 etc etc.
I find that this works well.
Cheers,
Graham0 -
Ian3 wrote:
violin108 wrote:
As to the history, there never has been such a feature in C1 - not a glitch so much as a design decision.One of the features of Capture One is that (1) it doesn't really matter what order you make adjustments in...
In Lightroom the ordering of editing operations doesn't matter either (for the vast majority of operations) and Lightroom still provides a history for good reason.
It is very useful to pick a point in the history, i.e., go back an arbitrary number of editing steps, and compare that past state of the image with the current state of the image. This allows one to judge whether the latest editing efforts amounted to an improvement or not.
Using variants in order to achieve the same functionality is a workaround with two major drawbacks:- One needs to be precogniscent with one's editing and create variants at the exact points in time which one will want to revisit in the future. Even if people developed a sense for when further editing may lead to suboptimal results, which is very unlikely, it would interfere with the flow of editing. One is often "on a roll" with a sequence of editing steps and only realises after the fact that the last n steps may or may not have been ideal. Chances are, one won't find a variant to go back to that exactly captured the state n steps ago. However, one doesn't want to interrupt being "on a roll" with editing just to create save states, most of which one will never need.
- One will end up with a lot of variants that won't use (much) extra disk space, but will clutter up the catalogue. After one is done with editing an image, there should not be clean up work left to do, however the "variant workaround" exactly demands that kind of explicit clean up in the form of variant removal.
A history may provide further advantages such as providing an overview what kind of changes have been done to a particular image, etc.2 -
Class A wrote:
Using variants in order to achieve the same functionality is a workaround with two major drawbacks:- One needs to be precogniscent with one's editing and create variants at the exact points in time which one will want to revisit in the future. Even if people developed a sense for when further editing may lead to suboptimal results, which is very unlikely, it would interfere with the flow of editing. One is often "on a roll" with a sequence of editing steps and only realises after the fact that the last n steps may or may not have been ideal. Chances are, one won't find a variant to go back to that exactly captured the state n steps ago. However, one doesn't want to interrupt being "on a roll" with editing just to create save states, most of which one will never need.
- One will end up with a lot of variants that won't use (much) extra disk space, but will clutter up the catalogue. After one is done with editing an image, there should not be clean up work left to do, however the "variant workaround" exactly demands that kind of explicit clean up in the form of variant removal.
A history may provide further advantages such as providing an overview what kind of changes have been done to a particular image, etc.
Variants don't provide the "same" functionality as history, they just reduce the need for one and, for some people, this may well be enough.
I never found the nuances of history useful and considered it a pain scrolling through minor changes to roll back to where I wanted to be.
A variant workflow suits me fine and I don't have any of the problems you describe. I make new variants when I reach a natural stop in my processing, and I never feel my workflow has been interrupted, or that going back one step with cmd+Z is inadequate.
I also find it easy to see which variants are no longer useful and delete them as I go along, leaving only a few key stage variants, and possibly a couple of final variant options. The final variant is exported as a TIFF and catalogued elsewhere, where theres is no variant clutter.
Having said that, I'm surprised that Phase One haven't added a history feature as its seems to be common request.
Graham0 -
I too wish C1P had a history of adjustments but I don’t care about the order they were applied.
For me it is very useful to quickly see a summary of edits made to an image.
There is a work around but it is slightly flawed:
Simply copy your adjustments to the clipboard then view the clipboard.
The only problem with this method is that all sliders etc. which have been touched will appear checked, even if they have since been returned to their default values e.g. after testing an edit.
I asked P1 to fix this a year or two ago but still waiting...violin108 wrote:
In Lightroom, one can see the whole adjustment history step by step with the possibility to return to any step (and cancel the following ones). Cannot see anything like this in C1 ?
Also - what is the key/step to quickly refer to the original before any adjustment was made ? (and back)0
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