Adding Analog/Negative FILM Conversion Features
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What problem do you see this solving?
Analog photography is back and we need comprehensive tools for editing
As analog/negative film becomes (again) part of many photographers workflows and producing repro/macro shots of negative film with digital cameras becomes more prominent, I would really love to see an option for CaptureOne Pro that would allow native conversion of negative film from RAW.
A hidden feature?
This feature is already available, but only for CaptureOne CH (Cultural Heritage) users. There are work arounds, but tools like Negative Lab Pro became very popular for a reason. Unfortunately this plug-in is only available for Adobe Lightroom. As far as I understand, plug-in architecture of CaptureOne does not allow the tight integration a tool like Negative Lab Pro requires. So we are kind of stuck here. I am aware of the fact that you can invert the curves, but this is not a very convenient neither very consistent approach with reproducible results across multiple shoots and film brands. So why not opening the already present CH feature to all of us? It would be an initial step to cover this market. From there on more (current) film brands could be implemented.
When was the last time you were affected by this lack of functionality, or specific tool?
Any time I would take a macro shot of an analog film with my mirrorless I would have to jump through hoops to create a positive, editable image in my C1 library.
Are you using any workarounds or other solutions to achieve your goals in Capture One?
For Mac users a tool called "Analogue Toolbox" by Michael Wilmes is available (see below). His workaround does an excellent job, but unfortunately it is hampered by technical limitations within C1. He is very knowledgeable and helpful, but it is upon the C1 engineers to take the next step.
Are you happy to be contacted further about this suggestion or request?
YES
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Official comment
Moved from the archive on 15.05.23.
Hi,
Thank you for your feedback. I have forwarded your request for adding Analog/Negative film conversion features to Capture One Pro internally to our developers.
Best regards,
Jakob, Capture One -
Absolutely. Would love to see this. Until then check out "Analogue Toolbox for Capture One": https://www.facebook.com/groups/141662290513120/
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Cool, sounds interesting. Will join.
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I’ll check that out too! I am still stuck in Lightroom For film scans, but I would rather make the full shift over to C1. Film is expensive as it is!
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I bought Capture One specifically for DSLR scanning with a Sony digital camera for my color negatives. I've followed the Cultural Heritage stuff and viewed the webinar and read the docs. I was hoping for something like that in Capture One. Instead I feel like I'm trying to ride a bucking bronco in a rodeo. I find that I can get "in the neighborhood" through inverting, etc. But I have to take a tiff to PS to really dial in the colors because the casts are too much in C1. Which sorta defeats the point of using C1. I'm thinking about shelling out for Negative Lab Pro plug-in and moving to Lightroom because there should be a way to do this without the histrionics. The DSLR scanning process for film is very happening these days. I bought a Sony camera just for this since I don't shoot digitally. But man, C1 doesn't make it easy.
Too bad Analogue Toolbox is a FB group. Back to the drawing board.
Thanks.
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I can't recommend NLP enough, really great tool and the only tool that keeps me having LR. Unfortunately it is also impossible to port into CO due to lack of plug in options.
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Only time will tell if the CaptureOne team takes this demand serious. We can only ask and push for a better analogue conversion integration. However, I am not intending to subscribe to LR and buy NLP just for the comparatively few film scans I do. In the meantime I can really recommend Analog Toolbox. Yes, it is a Facebook group. Nevertheless the app created by Michael works surprisingly well for a "workaround". Much better than what I have seen from the Heritage solution and certainly quicker and more convenient than manual conversions in Affinity or PS.
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@Chris: I did create the "Analogue Toolbox for Capture One" Facebook group in order to better cater for the interest group - like with walkthrough videos, discussions, help with sample files, talking about also the manual process (Windows) etc. And it looked like a lot of potential users where already in other "digitizing" related groups on FB. Therefore I had considered it a good enough compromise to boot that thing. If someone has an issue with the FB group he or she is welcome to write me at mwtemp0001@gmx-topmail.de and I'll guide him/her through the tool.
@mountainview: Thx for the feedback!
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If Hasselblad had kept up backward support for Flextight when they moved into Phocus, I would have stuck with renting their scanners. From research I've done, with the right setup and software process, DSLR scanning is comparable and maybe better in quality. Emphasis on "setup and software" which is a work in progress as this thread attests. I don't use LR but do get the CC Photo plan for PS. I shoot 99% film so this is crucial for me.
Yeah, I'm not on FB and considering their track record as an organization and the horrific UI don't see why I would. I'll get in touch since I'm struggling here. Thanks for the offer!
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Just submitted a join request! Can't wait to get working with this.
Happy Sunday!
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During one of Davids recent webinars (Davids webinars are always great) I did drop negative conversion in the chatroom but unfortunately no comment.
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A negative conversion tool inside C1 would be on the very top of my wishlist.
High end lab scans are expensive, traditional film scanners are cumbersome. I tried Analog Toolbox and while I really appreciate the effort, its results are nowhere close to what NLP delivers. I don't want to go back to LR.
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@Wayan: While we both eagerly wait for something to be implemented into C1 by PhaseOne - is there something I can help you with the toolbox to get the results you expect? Let me know if you're open for some in-depth look into your conversions. I'd be happy to help: mwtemp0001@gmx-topmail.de
Kind regards and let us keep fingers crossed for this feature request.
Michael
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I just keep Lightroom because of Negative Lab Pro. I would love to see a feature like that on Capture one
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I just joined to add my voice in support. I love C1, and I love Negative Lab Pro; they should work together! I hate Lightroom and the only reason I have it is to use Negative Lab Pro. If the C1 team reached out to Nate and worked with him to bring Negative Lab Pro to C1, I suspect they would pull over a lot of Lightroom holdout users like me. Or even if they developed their own conversion tools.
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If you've seen the DT Cultural Heritage site, you would know that Capture/Phase has plenty of experience with conversion tools. The DTDCH version has many things we'd like to see in our version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=4r7VJrs25m8&feature=emb_logo
I recently purchased the 4x5 film holder from DT to use to hold my negatives on my light table. I've been getting up to speed on C1 in general and haven't been working with negatives yet. Now that I'm getting back into it, I'm back to looking at Lightroom specifically for this and using Negative Lab Pro. Now I'm at the point of deciding whether to work in two software packages or just give up on C1 and go all in on Adobe.
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Technically, the only feature we need is “negative film curve” as base characteristics. Auto Level tool is something we have already.
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I've published an article with a script to invert the negative directly into Capture One: https://medium.com/@benjamin.bezine/scanning-film-negatives-with-capture-one-e707d52c9b7a
Maybe that can help you in your quest!
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My workflow goes through lightroom - NLP - C1
I hate how lightroom handles my fuji's rafs and I'm thinking of buying a little sony for scanning.Certainly adding direct conversion in C1 would greatly simplify my flow
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Yes! Please add support soon! I’d love to have this additional functionality and was very surprised to find its not already included. The lack of it is preventing me from dusting off my old Fujifilm 645. I’ve been feeling inspired to shoot film again but there’s no point if I can’t use Capture One.
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Just adding my voice here, yes, this would be great to get in a (version) update!
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Yes, my voice too. That would be a great function. I tried to work with LR + NLP, but I can't adapt me to the interface and workflow of LR...
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Piling my name into this request list! Capture One either needs a plugin developed by a third party (like NLP) so we can achieve this, or Capture One should natively support this functionality. It's clear the functionality exists already for their extremely high-end software solution, but with the rising popularity of film this seems like a no-brainer.
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Just another voice in the choir hoping C1 Pro can update to include the Base Characteristic film negative mode. Please!!!
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Adding my voice to echo this request!
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Hey PhaseOne/Capture One folks, is there someone reading here?
Any chance of having this feature added on the next update?
It would be such a big help!
Thanks!!!
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Yes, that is definitely the feature I am waiting for !!!
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Adding my voice for support. I agree with Dale Rothenberg comment
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Definitely +1 for this! There's lots of energy in this, so I bet we would get some amazing plugins that would make C1 even greater
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Hey, is this topic being marked as completed means film conversion tools will be added to a next version like really soon?
Can someone confirm?
Thank you!
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